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<DIV><FONT size=2>you are correct. The rolls would have to be VERY FAST to
have any definable straight segment before and after if the centered in the 45
line roll is below the crosspoint.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>Exagerated 45's gives time to positively establish the 45
segment, roll, then have an equal straight segment. Roll comes out above
the crossover that way.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Start HIGH, push early... no downgrade. (but watch out for
trees.... because they'll downgrade your day)</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>I haven't read the sequence to see where the reverse golfball
is... but I assume it starts after a maneuver that ends at top of box. If
thats true and you use a relatively tight radius, you could have a LONG "V"
above the crossover.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] K-Factor
Maneuver description and judging</DIV>
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<DIV>Thanks Richard for opening this discussion. I decided to draw it in
a piece of paper. It makes a huge difference when you draw the
options. I had been forcing the rolls in the middle but I knew
that my lines before the rolls were longer and since I was trying to show
a good line before the roll. If I fly equal lines before and after
the roll keeping the rolls in the center my plane will be going below
ground and I didn't want that. For that single reason, I really
was having problems in practice but I could not figure it out since I was
trying to force the rolls in the middle. It appears to me that
the best way to do it is by flying the rolls before the center of the maneuver
but I could be wrong. If we try to roll after the center the lines
have to be very short. Am I right? </DIV>
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<DIV class=signature id=signature>--<BR>Vicente "Vince" Bortone</DIV>
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<DIV>It's working: early-season discussion of new maneuvers.
Perfect!</DIV>
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<DIV>In our early discussions, one of the authors of the sequence protested
that he'd envisioned the 1/2 rolls crossing at center, and just last weekend
when I was practicing, I automatically tried to position and size the
maneuver so that the 1/2 rolls WOULD be on center... but they don't have to
be for a max score. </DIV>
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<DIV>Wayne and Matt nailed it - the maneuver description simply
states that the the rolls are centered on the 45 lines, not that they occur
in the center of the maneuver -- and there's a difference between the
two. It is possible to fly this one correctly in several ways, and
each way should be judged accordingly. As judges we'll need to
score against the maneuver description which is the standard, not a mental
image or set of assumptions... </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Keep it coming -this is great! </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Rick </DIV>
<DIV>and btw, it IS all Anthony's fault, like he said! <BR> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=gmail_quote>On 4/2/07, <B class=gmail_sendername><A
href="mailto:Rcmaster199@aol.com">Rcmaster199@aol.com</A></B> <<A
href="mailto:Rcmaster199@aol.com">Rcmaster199@aol.com</A>> wrote:</SPAN>
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<DIV>The issue was debated by several of us who contributed to the
definitions. The maneuver description doesn't say nor does it imply that
the rolls must be on the center pole, although THAT IS ONE
OPTION. The drawings and explanations are correct as indicated.
Wayne is correct about the radii of looping elements </DIV>
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<DIV>MattK</DIV><SPAN class=q>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>In a message dated 4/2/2007 4:01:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, <A
onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="mailto:wgalligan@goodsonacura.com"
target=_blank>wgalligan@goodsonacura.com</A> writes: </DIV>
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face=Arial>The rolls just need to be in the center of the line segment
of each 45 line. <BR>The whole maneuver including line segments must be
on center. The half <BR>rolls will not necessarily intersect at
exactly center pole or on top of <BR>each other, but the lines of the 45
cross or intersect at center. The 1/8 <BR>push radius and
looping segment have equal radius.<BR><BR>>From what I have
learned... <BR><BR>Wayne</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></SPAN></DIV>
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