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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Boy, I love that Anthony. He really stimulates my
brain ( however small it may be). I spent about 2&1/2 hours Sunday afternoon
drawing out this maneuver in differing scales trying to understand why the roll
position varied with different presentations and was able to finally determine
that the entry point is the culprit.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The original maneuver was designed to represent a
golfball sitting on top of a tee. If you take your K-factor and turn the page
upside-down you will see what the thing is supposed to look like in the first
drawing. In the second drawing the tee is extremely small and this is because
the entry point is late ( too close to the center of the maneuver). IMO, the
maneuver should be performed in a way that presents the overall form with
relative symmetry between the upper and lower halves of the total maneuver.
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>If the entry point occurs at a point on a vertical
line drawn tangentially from the extreme radius of the looping
segment with this line intersecting the center of the first 1/8th radius,
then the rolls will occur exactly on the center line of the maneuver and the
baseline (imaginary) of the tee will equal the diameter of the loop
and the total maneuver will be in symmetry.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I feel that the symmetry requirement should have
been included in the descriptor in order to achieve standardization in the
judging criteria. Applying the existing criteria to this maneuver is almost like
scoring last year's TO's & Lndgs. I predict that there will be many a
disappointed pilot this year when they get their sheets.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Georgie </FONT></DIV>
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<A title=rickwallace45@gmail.com href="mailto:rickwallace45@gmail.com">richard
wallace</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, April 02, 2007 8:46
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] K-Factor
Maneuver description and judging</DIV>
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<DIV>It's working: early-season discussion of new maneuvers.
Perfect!</DIV>
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<DIV>In our early discussions, one of the authors of the sequence protested
that he'd envisioned the 1/2 rolls crossing at center, and just last weekend
when I was practicing, I automatically tried to position and size the maneuver
so that the 1/2 rolls WOULD be on center... but they don't have to be for a
max score. </DIV>
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<DIV>Wayne and Matt nailed it - the maneuver description simply
states that the the rolls are centered on the 45 lines, not that they occur in
the center of the maneuver -- and there's a difference between the two.
It is possible to fly this one correctly in several ways, and each way should
be judged accordingly. As judges we'll need to score against the
maneuver description which is the standard, not a mental image or set of
assumptions... </DIV>
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<DIV>Keep it coming -this is great! </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Rick </DIV>
<DIV>and btw, it IS all Anthony's fault, like he said! <BR> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=gmail_quote>On 4/2/07, <B class=gmail_sendername><A
href="mailto:Rcmaster199@aol.com">Rcmaster199@aol.com</A></B> <<A
href="mailto:Rcmaster199@aol.com">Rcmaster199@aol.com</A>> wrote:</SPAN>
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<DIV>The issue was debated by several of us who contributed to the
definitions. The maneuver description doesn't say nor does it imply that the
rolls must be on the center pole, although THAT IS ONE OPTION.
The drawings and explanations are correct as indicated. Wayne is correct
about the radii of looping elements </DIV>
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<DIV>MattK</DIV><SPAN class=q>
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<DIV>In a message dated 4/2/2007 4:01:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, <A
onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="mailto:wgalligan@goodsonacura.com"
target=_blank>wgalligan@goodsonacura.com</A> writes: </DIV>
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face=Arial>The rolls just need to be in the center of the line segment of
each 45 line. <BR>The whole maneuver including line segments must be on
center. The half <BR>rolls will not necessarily intersect at exactly
center pole or on top of <BR>each other, but the lines of the 45 cross or
intersect at center. The 1/8 <BR>push radius and looping
segment have equal radius.<BR><BR>>From what I have learned...
<BR><BR>Wayne</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></SPAN></DIV>
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