<HTML><BODY style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; ">This is a very good point. When you learn to use all the tools properly and develop discipline and skill by practice, you will be a better pilot. <DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>BTW, I've had sport pilots say something to me like, "You Pattern pilots think you're better pilots than the rest of us." I probably didn't make any friends for Pattern when I said, "Yes, we do, because we have the discipline and skill to do maneuvers we want to do where we want to do them."<DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Ron Van Putte</DIV><DIV> <BR><DIV><DIV>On Mar 15, 2007, at 2:57 PM, Mike Robinson wrote:</DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">Robert - I've had and have most of your flying habits. But, once I committed to do maneuvers in a planned way instead of just doing them I soon realized I needed to use every tool available to me which included the rudder. I have found that with practice, and a good coach if available, those habits tend to be replaced with better ones. I guess I'm saying "Do your time" and it will work out. <BR>Lastly, those maneuvers are supposed to be daunting! If they were easy, then every sport flyer would be a pattern flyer!<BR><BR><DIV><SPAN class="gmail_quote">On 3/15/07, <B class="gmail_sendername">Robert L. Beaubien </B> <<A href="mailto:rbeaubien@koolsoft.com">rbeaubien@koolsoft.com</A>> wrote:</SPAN><BLOCKQUOTE class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> <DIV bgcolor="white" link="blue" vlink="purple" lang="EN-US"> <DIV><P><SPAN style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">As someone that is trying to unlearn the bad habits of my training, I wonder if I am approaching this the wrong way. </SPAN></P><DIV><SPAN style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </SPAN><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><P><SPAN style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I was trained to fly without rudder (except for ground control) and learned the reverse controls concept when flying toward me and I pretty much think that way when flying. I have learned to use a little rudder to be able to land in crosswinds, but it just seems to foreign to me. As I start down the path of learning to fly pattern, I find the concept of learning to fly a straight path in a cross wind while performing maneuvers to be daunting. </SPAN></P><DIV><SPAN style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </SPAN><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><P><SPAN style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Troy has been helping me out a lot, but I was wondering if anyone has suggestions for going through this relearning process.</SPAN></P><DIV><SPAN style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </SPAN><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV> <DIV><P><SPAN style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">- Robert Beaubien</SPAN></P> </DIV><DIV><SPAN style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </SPAN><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV> <DIV> <DIV style="border-style: solid none none; border-color: rgb(181, 196, 223) -moz-use-text-color -moz-use-text-color; border-width: 1pt medium medium; padding: 3pt 0in 0in;"><P><B><SPAN style="font-size: 10pt;">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN style="font-size: 10pt;"> <A href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A> [mailto:<A href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A>] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Archie Stafford<BR> <B>Sent:</B> Thursday, March 15, 2007 10:54 AM<BR> <B>To:</B> 'NSRCA Mailing List'<BR> <B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] New Field lay out Advice</SPAN></P> </DIV> </DIV><DIV> <BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><P><SPAN style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy;">I have to disagree on this one. I now teach guys for a living how to fly. We end up teaching them UAV's, but they learn on .60 size trainers. These guys have no background in R/C and I think if you don't let them be affected by the wind, then they wont be. Our normal flying days here in SW texas are 10-15mph, and these guys are soloing in 5 days flying only in the afternoons. Usually straight in our face, or straight from our backs. I don't think I've had a day yet that we didn't have a significant crosswind. I have found here, that if you don't let the guys become psychologically affected by the wind and such, then it isn't near as big a factor. Another tip we have found and it is true, is that we do not mention ANYTHING about the controls being different when coming at them. I've heard people say "the controls reverse when coming at you", well, that's not actually true, it only appears that way. By not telling them that, it takes that thought process out of their heads and they don't fight it. Teach in the wind, and they'll be able to fly in the wind.</SPAN></P><DIV><SPAN style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy;"> </SPAN><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><P><SPAN style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy;">Arch Stafford</SPAN></P> </DIV> </DIV> <BR>_______________________________________________<BR>NSRCA-discussion mailing list<BR><A onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org </A><BR><A onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion" target="_blank">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</A><BR></BLOCKQUOTE> </DIV><BR><BR clear="all"><BR>-- <BR>Flying precision aerobatics - not thinking out of the box!<BR><BR>SPA 347<DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">_______________________________________________</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">NSRCA-discussion mailing list</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><A href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><A href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</A></DIV> </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR></DIV></DIV></BODY></HTML>