<DIV style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif; font-size:10pt;">i agree with this. the farm club has a 10 mph quartering crosswind most days. it is up to 20-25 many times. the students learn to handle the crosswind as a normal part of learning to land.<BR><BR>randy<BR><BR>--- rcpattern@stx.rr.com wrote:<BR><BR>From: "Archie Stafford" <rcpattern@stx.rr.com><BR>To: "'NSRCA Mailing List'" <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] New Field lay out Advice<BR>Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 12:54:05 -0500<BR><BR>
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<P><FONT color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><SPAN style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">I have to disagree on this one. I now
teach guys for a living how to fly. We end up teaching them UAV’s, but
they learn on .60 size trainers. These guys have no background in R/C and I
think if you don’t let them be affected by the wind, then they wont be.
Our normal flying days here in SW texas are 10-15mph, and these guys are
soloing in 5 days flying only in the afternoons. Usually straight in our face,
or straight from our backs. I don’t think I’ve had a day yet that
we didn’t have a significant crosswind. I have found here, that if you don’t
let the guys become psychologically affected by the wind and such, then it isn’t
near as big a factor. Another tip we have found and it is true, is that we do
not mention ANYTHING about the controls being different when coming at them. I’ve
heard people say “the controls reverse when coming at you”, well, that’s
not actually true, it only appears that way. By not telling them that, it
takes that thought process out of their heads and they don’t fight it. Teach
in the wind, and they’ll be able to fly in the wind.</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P><FONT color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><SPAN style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Arch Stafford</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P><B><FONT face="Tahoma" size="2"><SPAN style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; font-weight: bold;">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face="Tahoma" size="2"><SPAN style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma;">
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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B><SPAN style="font-weight: bold;">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Fred Huber<BR>
<B><SPAN style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</SPAN></B> Thursday, March 15, 2007
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New Field lay out Advice</SPAN></FONT></P><P></P>
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<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size="2"><SPAN style="font-size: 10pt;">I deal with beginners... and wind direction, even if light can play a
huge factor in early lessons.</SPAN></FONT></P><P></P>
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<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size="2"><SPAN style="font-size: 10pt;">If this is a club general use field. wind does matter. Its
far easier to get beginners past thier fear of wind if they can generally take
off and land into wind straight down the runway. Then teaching wind
compensation for crosswind on takeoff and landing is easier because they
are't totally freaked out by a 7 to 10 mph breeze.</SPAN></FONT></P><P></P>
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<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size="2"><SPAN style="font-size: 10pt;">The contest will be one or two weekends a year... the rest of the
flying is year round.</SPAN></FONT></P><P></P>
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<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size="2"><SPAN style="font-size: 10pt;">The statement that he has 300 avres available... there's probably room
for 5 airfields (which means you could just about host the NATS) on the
property... (unless that was a typo....) we only overfly appx 12
acres. If they really have that much room... they could easilly have the
contest strip and another strip oriented for the prevailing wind.</SPAN></FONT></P><P></P>
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<P><B><FONT face="Arial" size="2"><SPAN style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; font-weight: bold;">Sent:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face="Arial" size="2"><SPAN style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"> Thursday, March
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<P><B><FONT face="Arial" size="2"><SPAN style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; font-weight: bold;">Subject:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face="Arial" size="2"><SPAN style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"> Re:
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<P><FONT color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><SPAN style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">I want the sun out of the way. I could
care less about the wind as it changes daily. If the wind gets over 10 mph they
don’t fly anyway. </SPAN></FONT><FONT color="navy" face="Wingdings" size="2"><SPAN style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Wingdings; color: navy;">J</SPAN></FONT><FONT color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><SPAN style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;"> </SPAN></FONT></P>
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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B><SPAN style="font-weight: bold;">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Del K. Rykert<BR>
<B><SPAN style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</SPAN></B> Thursday, March 15, 2007
12:01 PM<BR>
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<P><FONT face="Arial" size="2"><SPAN style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">That issues may be trued if only catering to experienced
/competent, pilots but if field is also being used by inexperienced and pilots
just learning then wind direction is a big issue IMHO.</SPAN></FONT></P><P></P>
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<P><FONT face="Arial" size="2"><SPAN style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"> Del</SPAN></FONT></P><P></P>
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<P><B><FONT face="Arial" size="2"><SPAN style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; font-weight: bold;">Sent:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face="Arial" size="2"><SPAN style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"> Thursday, March
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<P><B><FONT face="Arial" size="2"><SPAN style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; font-weight: bold;">Subject:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face="Arial" size="2"><SPAN style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
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<P><FONT color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><SPAN style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">I would definitely lay it out facing north
rather than worrying about the wind. Much easier to deal with a
crosswind occasionally than it is not be able to fly part of a day
because of the sun. </SPAN></FONT></P>
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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B><SPAN style="font-weight: bold;">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Fred Huber<BR>
<B><SPAN style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</SPAN></B> Thursday, March 15, 2007
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<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size="2"><SPAN style="font-size: 10pt;">What direction is the prevailing wind in relation to runway
orientation?</SPAN></FONT></P><P></P>
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<P><FONT face="Arial" size="2"><SPAN style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">In the process of laying out a field for Pattern and IMAC,
along with normal flying. I attached a crude drawing in paint. What do you guys
think? Any improvements? The runway paralles an access road that is dirt and is
only used for driving around the property during the week and not much then.
Over flight area is about 300 acres and the nearest house is about ½ mile out
center and none on either end. The field faces almost due north so sun will not
be a problem. I proposed a 80x600 runway of smooth grass with somewhat smooth
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