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<div>Hmmmmm. If you have all the requisite stuff Archie and the others have suggested and you still are having trouble with the snap execution, then it may be the control input sequence. Remember to lead with full elevator and then input rudder/ailerons a split second later.</div>
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-----Original Message-----<br>
From: rforbus@hotmail.com<br>
To: nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<br>
Sent: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 9:09 PM<br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Focus 1.5<br>
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<div class=AOLPlainTextBody id=AOLMsgPart_1_87d064fa-7060-4d66-9d54-d45659113e9b>Well I think it does the advanced sequence just fine to till I get to the snap parts, it will come im sure, thats whats great about all of this get it dialed in just like a race car <br>
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>From: "Pete Cosky" <<A href='javascript:parent.ComposeTo("pcosky%40comcast.net", "");'>pcosky@comcast.net</A>> <br>
>Reply-To: NSRCA Mailing List <<A href='javascript:parent.ComposeTo("nsrca-discussion%40lists.nsrca.org", "");'>nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>> <br>
>To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <<A href='javascript:parent.ComposeTo("nsrca-discussion%40lists.nsrca.org", "");'>nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>> <br>
>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Focus 1.5 <br>
>Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 21:00:42 -0500 <br>
> <br>
>Arch, <br>
> <br>
>I had a 9151 on the rudder in my Focus 1.5 and you had no issues with it <br>
>doing the entire Masters sequence. If he isn't getting a clean snap I would <br>
>have to agree with the CG theory. <br>
> <br>
>Didn't you sell your Focus II a couple years ago? <br>
> <br>
>Pete <br>
> <br>
>----- Original Message ----- <br>
>From: "Archie Stafford" <<A href='javascript:parent.ComposeTo("rcpattern%40stx.rr.com", "");'>rcpattern@stx.rr.com</A>> <br>
>To: "'NSRCA Mailing List'" <<A href='javascript:parent.ComposeTo("nsrca-discussion%40lists.nsrca.org", "");'>nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>> <br>
>Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 8:56 <br>
>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Focus 1.5 <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> > Rudder I would definitely run more. On the elevator that is more than <br>
> > enough. I flew the 9254 servo last year, same as CPLR, 48oz on the <br>
> > elevator <br>
> > and had no problems on my Mantis. Actually the Focus 2 that I am <br>
> > finishing <br>
> > right now I'm putting the same servo on the elevator there, but you >might <br>
> > want more on the rudder. I run the 9155 servo that is almost 200 on the <br>
> > rudder. How much rudder throw are you using for the snap? <br>
> > <br>
> > Arch <br>
> > <br>
> > -----Original Message----- <br>
> > From: <A href='javascript:parent.ComposeTo("nsrca-discussion-bounces%40lists.nsrca.org", "");'>nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A> <br>
> > [<A href='javascript:parent.ComposeTo("nsrca-discussion-bounces%40lists.nsrca.org", "");'>mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A>] On Behalf Of Ryan >Smith <br>
> > Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 7:46 PM <br>
> > To: 'NSRCA Mailing List' <br>
> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Focus 1.5 <br>
> > <br>
> > My apologies Randy. I did not realize you were referring to your >elevator <br>
> > in <br>
> > your message. <br>
> > <br>
> > Ryan <br>
> > <br>
> > -----Original Message----- <br>
> > From: <A href='javascript:parent.ComposeTo("nsrca-discussion-bounces%40lists.nsrca.org", "");'>nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A> <br>
> > [<A href='javascript:parent.ComposeTo("nsrca-discussion-bounces%40lists.nsrca.org", "");'>mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A>] On Behalf Of Randy <br>
> > Forbus <br>
> > Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 8:43 PM <br>
> > To: <A href='javascript:parent.ComposeTo("nsrca-discussion%40lists.nsrca.org", "");'>nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A> <br>
> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Focus 1.5 <br>
> > <br>
> > I should think so to, since I read CPLR uses on a 45oz servo on his >planes <br>
> > <br>
> > <br>
> >>From: "Ron Lockhart" <<A href='javascript:parent.ComposeTo("ronlock%40comcast.net", "");'>ronlock@comcast.net</A>> <br>
> >>Reply-To: NSRCA Mailing List <<A href='javascript:parent.ComposeTo("nsrca-discussion%40lists.nsrca.org", "");'>nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>> <br>
> >>To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <<A href='javascript:parent.ComposeTo("nsrca-discussion%40lists.nsrca.org", "");'>nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>> <br>
> >>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Focus 1.5 <br>
> >>Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 20:48:49 -0500 <br>
> >> <br>
> >>I think the 90 oz is enough on elevator, if throw is 21 deg or so. <br>
> >>Rudder may benefit from more power. <br>
> >> <br>
> >>Ron Lockhart <br>
> >>----- Original Message ----- <br>
> >>From: "Ryan Smith" <<A href='javascript:parent.ComposeTo("smaragdz%40bellsouth.net", "");'>smaragdz@bellsouth.net</A>> <br>
> >>To: "'NSRCA Mailing List'" <<A href='javascript:parent.ComposeTo("nsrca-discussion%40lists.nsrca.org", "");'>nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>> <br>
> >>Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 8:35 PM <br>
> >>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Focus 1.5 <br>
> >> <br>
> >> <br>
> >> > Randy, <br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > That seems to be a bit of a paltry number from what I'm used to. I've <br>
> >>got <br>
> >>a <br>
> >> > Futaba 9151 on the rudder of my Partner, and a DS8411SA is going on >my <br>
> >>Focus <br>
> >> > II, and all of my future airplanes unless something I like better >comes <br>
> >>down <br>
> >> > the pike. The 9151 is well into the 100oz/in range in torque so you >may <br>
> >>be <br>
> >> > getting blowback. <br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > I am not sure of what your nomenclature for what type of Focus you <br>
> >> > have, <br>
> >>if <br>
> >> > it means you have a Focus I fuse with Focus II wings, but I would >most <br>
> >> > certainly listen to whatever suggestions Arch may have for setup. <br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > Take care, and good luck! <br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > Ryan <br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > -----Original Message----- <br>
> >> > From: <A href='javascript:parent.ComposeTo("nsrca-discussion-bounces%40lists.nsrca.org", "");'>nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A> <br>
> >> > [<A href='javascript:parent.ComposeTo("nsrca-discussion-bounces%40lists.nsrca.org", "");'>mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A>] On Behalf Of Randy <br>
> >>Forbus <br>
> >> > Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 8:29 PM <br>
> >> > To: <A href='javascript:parent.ComposeTo("nsrca-discussion%40lists.nsrca.org", "");'>nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A> <br>
> >> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Focus 1.5 <br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > I think I have enough power 90 oz in and no slop <br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > >From: <A href='javascript:parent.ComposeTo("ronlock%40comcast.net", "");'>ronlock@comcast.net</A> <br>
> >> > >Reply-To: NSRCA Mailing List <<A href='javascript:parent.ComposeTo("nsrca-discussion%40lists.nsrca.org", "");'>nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>> <br>
> >> > >To: NSRCA Mailing List <<A href='javascript:parent.ComposeTo("nsrca-discussion%40lists.nsrca.org", "");'>nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>> <br>
> >> > >Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Focus 1.5 <br>
> >> > >Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 00:35:24 +0000 <br>
> >> > > <br>
> >> > >You might want to check elevator throw - <br>
> >> > >My Focus likes at least 21 degrees of elevator throw to get a clean <br>
> >> > >break for the snap. Also confirm no linkage flex and enough >elevator <br>
> >> > >servo power. <br>
> >> > > <br>
> >> > >Later, Ron Lockhart <br>
> >> > > <br>
> >> > >-------------- Original message -------------- <br>
> >> > >From: "Jay Marshall" <<A href='javascript:parent.ComposeTo("lightfoot%40sc.rr.com", "");'>lightfoot@sc.rr.com</A>> <br>
> >> > > <br>
> >> > > > Balance the Easy Weigh - look in the archives, or I can email it >to <br>
> >>you. <br>
> >> > > > <br>
> >> > > > -----Original Message----- <br>
> >> > > > From: <A href='javascript:parent.ComposeTo("nsrca-discussion-bounces%40lists.nsrca.org", "");'>nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A> <br>
> >> > > > [<A href='javascript:parent.ComposeTo("nsrca-discussion-bounces%40lists.nsrca.org", "");'>mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A>] On Behalf Of <br>
> >> > > > Randy <br>
> >> > >Forbus <br>
> >> > > > Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 6:53 PM <br>
> >> > > > To: <A href='javascript:parent.ComposeTo("nsrca-discussion%40lists.nsrca.org", "");'>nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A> <br>
> >> > > > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Focus 1.5 <br>
> >> > > > <br>
> >> > > > what article, I will check it out thanks <br>
> >> > > > <br>
> >> > > > <br>
> >> > > > >From: "Jay Marshall" <br>
> >> > > > >Reply-To: NSRCA Mailing List <br>
> >> > > > >To: "'NSRCA Mailing List'" <br>
> >> > > > >Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Focus 1.5 <br>
> >> > > > >Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 18:46:36 -0500 <br>
> >> > > > > <br>
> >> > > > >If you have a scale and my article I put on the discussion list <br>
> >> > > > >you <br>
> >>can <br>
> >> > > > >calculate what to move and the effects. <br>
> >> > > > > <br>
> >> > > > >-----Original Message----- <br>
> >> > > > >From: <A href='javascript:parent.ComposeTo("nsrca-discussion-bounces%40lists.nsrca.org", "");'>nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A> <br>
> >> > > > >[<A href='javascript:parent.ComposeTo("nsrca-discussion-bounces%40lists.nsrca.org", "");'>mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A>] On Behalf Of <br>
> >>Randy <br>
> >> > >Forbus <br>
> >> > > > >Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 6:40 PM <br>
> >> > > > >To: <A href='javascript:parent.ComposeTo("nsrca-discussion%40lists.nsrca.org", "");'>nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A> <br>
> >> > > > >Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Focus 1.5 <br>
> >> > > > > <br>
> >> > > > >yeah either full left or full right full up elevator, and full <br>
> >> > > > >left <br>
> >>or <br>
> >> > > > >right <br>
> >> > > > > <br>
> >> > > > >aileron, I do have to agree with you on the CG issue it balances <br>
> >>nose <br>
> >> > >heavy <br>
> >> > > > >if you go by the recommended CG, im going to try to move the <br>
> >>battery <br>
> >> > >aft, <br>
> >> > > > >doesnt have alot of room, dont really want tp add weight to the <br>
> >>tail, <br>
> >> > >but <br>
> >> > > > >will if I have to, thanks Ed <br>
> >> > > > > <br>
> >> > > > > <br>
> >> > > > > >From: Ed White <br>
> >> > > > > >Reply-To: NSRCA Mailing List <br>
> >> > > > > >To: NSRCA Mailing List <br>
> >> > > > > >Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Focus 1.5 <br>
> >> > > > > >Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 15:15:43 -0800 (PST) <br>
> >> > > > > > <br>
> >> > > > > >I've flown a Focus 1, and owned and flew a Focus 2 for <br>
> >> > > > > >almost 3 seasons. Both snapped quite well on moderate <br>
> >> > > > > >rates. Though the Focus 2 admittedly showed a <br>
> >> > > > > >cleaner, quicker snap to the left. <br>
> >> > > > > > <br>
> >> > > > > >It could be CG. Where is your CG relative to the wing <br>
> >> > > > > >tube? <br>
> >> > > > > > <br>
> >> > > > > >Also, I'll ask this because I know a certain pilot who <br>
> >> > > > > >is a much better than I am, but who was having a huge <br>
> >> > > > > >problem getting his plane to negative snap, it would <br>
> >> > > > > >just "mush over" - are you sure you are using the <br>
> >> > > > > >correct rudder direction? <br>
> >> > > > > > <br>
> >> > > > > >Ed <br>
> >> > > > > > <br>
> >> > > > > >--- Randy Forbus wrote: <br>
> >> > > > > > <br>
> >> > > > > > > Im having trouble getting my Focus to snap, Ive been <br>
> >> > > > > > > practicing the advanced <br>
> >> > > > > > > ( I know Keith, I dont belong there),but anyway when <br>
> >> > > > > > > I do the avalanch and <br>
> >> > > > > > > the 45 degree down with a snap it just kinda mushes <br>
> >> > > > > > > over, I think its <br>
> >> > > > > > > because its nose heavy, have everything on high <br>
> >> > > > > > > rates, anyone else had this <br>
> >> > > > > > > problem <br>
> >> > > > > > > <br>
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