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<DIV>Fred, </DIV>
<DIV>An out of bounds violation is scored in proportion to the amount flown out of bounds. We have good guidelines on how much to downgrade for such occurences. Please follow up in the rule book.</DIV>
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<DIV>The element(s) should not be considered as though they didn't happen. A judge's responsibility in bounds violations is to continue to judge such that severity may be correctly assessed. Consider an end violation where the maneuver was started outside but was finished inside the box (and vice versa). Humptys are good examples of this type of violation. </DIV>
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<DIV>In your example, the caveat is that the judge may have had to strain so much that he-she had to turn away. A severe dowgrade could be warranted under such extremes</DIV>
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<DIV>MattK</DIV>
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<DIV>In a message dated 3/2/2007 9:25:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, fhhuber@clearwire.net writes:</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>would it be fair to score as if elements outside the box just didn't happen?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>EG: Avelanche... if the snap at top is outside box count it as a completely blown snap. -5 points because its half of the maneuver.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, March 02, 2007 2:38 PM</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I have that click in my neck also when they get to box violation height.. lol Old judging neck syndrome.. lol <tic> </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> Del</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, March 02, 2007 2:25 PM</DIV>
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<DIV>Hi Dean,</DIV>
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<DIV>I agree 100%. Actually the 60 degree box-top violation downgrade is directly proportional to the paint I feel in my neck.</DIV>
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<DIV>Vicente "Vince" Bortone</DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=435570318-02032007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Hi Vince,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=435570318-02032007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I find hiding the overall geometry by flying too large for the closeness to be as just as objectionable (or maybe moreso) as flying too far out to see the details like wingtip wiggles etc.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=435570318-02032007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Usually, the pilot who does this gives me plenty of 60 degree box-top violations to work with. In addition, they tend to fly poor overall geometries as well, because they can't see them!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=435570318-02032007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>The lemming-march to fly painfully close has dominated more than just a few nationals over the years and with the help of hidsight I can now point and laugh. At the time it was frustrating ...</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=435570318-02032007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Comments anybody else?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=435570318-02032007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Dean</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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