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<DIV><SPAN class=639061716-02032007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Hi
Randy,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=639061716-02032007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Of
course I want to give you a simple answer, but this is where judgement comes
in:</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=639061716-02032007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Did
the pilot over-roll and immediately correct? That's one (non-smooth and
graceful) move in my arguable opinion.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=639061716-02032007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Did he
or she over-roll, stop, fly along for a good bit, fix the angle, then
execute the next point? (kinda like adding a whole new point to the
roll?)</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=639061716-02032007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>That
sort of thing has to draw an additional reward. After all, confession is good
for the soul, not for the scoresheet!.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=639061716-02032007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=639061716-02032007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>P.S.
I'd hate to see the room for judgement disappear due to
over-analysis.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=639061716-02032007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Hope
it helped,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=639061716-02032007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Dean</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<P><FONT face="Times New Roman">Dean Pappas</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman">Sr. Design Engineer</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman">Kodeos Communications</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman">111 Corporate Blvd.</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman">South Plainfield, N.J. 07080</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman">(908) 222-7817 phone</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman">(908) 222-2392 fax</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman">d.pappas@kodeos.com</FONT> </P>
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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Glenn
Hatfield<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, March 02, 2007 11:09 AM<BR><B>To:</B> NSRCA
Mailing List<BR><B>Subject:</B> [NSRCA-discussion] New Judging
Question<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial, sans-serif">two point
roll -> roll 195 degrees, correct 15 degrees back to 180 and then
roll to 180 to upright. I see corrections with some frequency.<BR><BR>Is
the correct double jeopardy or a second error?<BR><BR>Randy<BR><BR><BR><BR>---
d.pappas@kodeos.com wrote:<BR><BR>From: "Dean Pappas"
<d.pappas@kodeos.com><BR>To: "NSRCA Mailing List"
<nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Judging Question<BR>Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 10:17:48 -0500<BR><BR>
<DIV><SPAN><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Hi Larry,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>The general principle is no
double jeopardy. You don't get dunned twice for the same
mistake.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Dean</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<P><FONT face="Times New Roman">Dean Pappas</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman">Sr. Design Engineer</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman">Kodeos Communications</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman">111 Corporate Blvd.</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman">South Plainfield, N.J. 07080</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman">(908) 222-7817 phone</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman">(908) 222-2392 fax</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman">d.pappas@kodeos.com</FONT> </P>
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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Lisa
& Larry<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, March 02, 2007 12:13 AM<BR><B>To:</B>
'NSRCA Mailing List'<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Judging
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<P><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Thanks Dave, Matt
and Ken…</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I’ll get some rest
and work on my math before asking the next question…I was questioning myself
on how I was reading it, glad I asked the question….</SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Larry</SPAN></FONT></P>
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nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Dave Lockhart<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Thursday, March 01, 2007 11:04
PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> 'NSRCA Mailing
List'<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> [Norton
AntiSpam] Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Judging Question</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Larry,</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The 4 hesitations
should be at 90, 180, 270, and 360 degrees. The total number of
degrees of deviation from 90, 180, 270, and 360 would be the number of
degrees of error.</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">If I understand
your scenario correctly, the first point is 25 degrees off (115 – 90 =
25). The 2<SUP>nd</SUP>, 3<SUP>rd</SUP>, and 4<SUP>th</SUP> points are
on target at 180, 270, and 360. You have a total of 25 degree errors
in roll. Applying 1 point per 15 degrees…..you have 25 / 15 =
1.67</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">point deduction….
=s 8.33 which rounds to 8.5 for AMA or 8 for FAI.</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">25 degree errors in
roll are quite large!!! Penalizing the roll segment from 115 degrees
to 180 degrees because it is less than 90 degrees of rotation would be
double jeopardy.</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><BR>Regards,</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><BR>Dave
Lockhart</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><A>DaveL322@comcast.net</A></SPAN></FONT></P>
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nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Lisa &
Larry<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Thursday, March
01, 2007 11:09 PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B>
'NSRCA Mailing List'<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Judging
Question</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">OK…Here is an
interesting scenario…I’m learning and wish to judge fairly and accurately,
not trying to start a debate…</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">4 point
roll…1<SUP>st</SUP> quarter roll is 115 degrees (over rotated), second is 65
degrees (corrected wings level), 3<SUP>rd</SUP> and 4<SUP>th</SUP> are 90
degrees….No other visible downgrades</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">RCA-23 4-point
downgrade 1 states, “One-Quarter rolls more or less than 90
degrees.</SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Based on how I read
it, the maneuver is scored an 8 for two quarters not rolling 90 degrees even
though the second quarter corrected to wings level.</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The other
interpretation would be the implication in item 1, is referencing 90 degrees
to a vertical or horizontal plain, and not rotation, resulting in a score of
9.</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I’ll apologize now
in advance for where this may go…</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Larry</SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
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nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Dave Lockhart<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Thursday, March 01, 2007 5:49
PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> 'NSRCA Mailing
List'<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Judging Question</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The rules are
–</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
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<P><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">- 1 point per 15
(FIFTEEN) degrees. Summing partial points is allowable
(recommended).</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">- A “perfect
maneuver” is not necessarily defect free – it is free of defects that would
warrant downgrading to a 9 (in FAI) or a 9.5 (in AMA).</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">- when “on the
fence”, round up. Ie, a single 7.5 degree error in is a 0.5 point
downgrade, - the score in FAI is 10, not 9.</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Regards,</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><BR>Dave
Lockhart</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><A>DaveL322@comcast.net</A></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Del K. Rykert<BR><B><SPAN
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<P><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I whole heartedly concur
Fred. Thanks for your reply. </SPAN></FONT></P>
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Del</SPAN></FONT></P>
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face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Judging Question</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">There's half-points... and while at FAI the half
point doesn't go on a score sheet... I still count them, and round down
before putting the score on the sheet. 9.5 becomes 9 7.5
becomes 7. In your example.. he's going to have 3 or 4 half-points
off for missing the points by appx 10 deg. That puts him to an 8.
(with no other errors)</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">And
again... the original said (paraphrased) "I can see a point, but can't see
deviation from the 90 deg incrimental orientations" Thats NOT
downgradable. If its off from the 90 enough to downgrade, you will
see it. You're trying to compare apples and elephants. If you
see the point happened and don't see the point being off orientation...
you have given no reason for downgrade. Its a 10.</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">You
can SEE the wings being more than 5 deg off level... If you can see
it... its worth a half point downgrade at least. the knife is a
little harder to see being off, especially when its
centered.</SPAN></FONT></P>
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you are consistant... you can count tenths of a point errors if you
want... then round according to your own method for a score that meets the
whole point or half point incriments that get put on the sheet.
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<P><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Subject:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Judging Question</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Hi Fred. </SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> Do I
assume 3 flyers you are judging doing point rolls, if all elements
are done correctly, except for the points or a point, does
pilot "A" who under rotates by 10º and pilot "B" who over
rotates in a point by 10º and pilot "C" who nails the point @ 90º all
get a 10 score? All other elements are done perfect.
Not typical real world but have been their and had to score as
I interpret the rules. </SPAN></FONT></P>
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Del</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<A title=fhhuber@clearwire.net>Fred Huber</A> </SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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Wednesday, February 28, 2007 9:56 PM</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Subject:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">
Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Judging Question</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
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<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">The original description said the points were
noted. </SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">No downgrade for lack of
points.</SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
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<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">The original description just complained "I
couldn't see if the point was ON the 90" Well that means it was
less than 15 deg off because you WOULD see 15 deg off.
</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">No downgrade.</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P></P></DIV>
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<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
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<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">No downgradable item was noted in the initial
point roll description.</SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
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<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Its a 10</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<A title=drykert2@rochester.rr.com>Del K. Rykert</A>
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Wednesday, February 28, 2007 3:58 PM</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Subject:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
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Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Judging Question</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P><STRONG><B><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I sure
concur Gene .</SPAN></FONT></B></STRONG></P>
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<FONT color=blue><SPAN
style="COLOR: blue">Del</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A
title=gene.maurice@sgmservice.com>Gene Maurice</A>
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style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">To:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A
title=randy10926@comtekmail.com>randy10926@comtekmail.com</A> ; <A
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style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sent:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> Wednesday, February
28, 2007 2:38 PM</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Subject:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Judging Question</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">If the
points are so fast as to make it indiscernible what angle they
occurred at, then I would tend to doubt whether the point occurred
at all. Score 0. It is the pilot’s responsibility to present the
maneuver in such a manner to demonstrate that the maneuver has in
fact been done according to the rules. I sincerely doubt that a 4
point can be done in 1.25 seconds with defined stops in the roll
every 90 degrees. But it remains that if, as a judge, you cannot
clearly see the relevant elements of any maneuver being performed,
then you should assume that IT HAS NOT been performed. The
elements must be demonstrated not assumed. </SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Don
Ramsey, can you clarify?</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
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<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy">Gene
Maurice<BR>gene.maurice@sgmservice.com<BR>Plano, TX<BR>AMA 3408,
NSRCA 877</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Ok time to get back to
our favorite list questions.<BR><BR>This comes from a real life
judging problem. The question is about the 4-point
roll. This what I am seeing. A 4 point roll that takes
less than 1.25 second to complete. You can see 4 very short
pauses. The manever appears to be centered. I see no
change in height or coming in or out. It appears to be
between 150M and 175M. But the pauses are so short that I
cannot really tell if the rolls between pauses are 90
degrees. So I cannot see what the 1 point per 15 degree down
grade should be.<BR><BR><BR>What would you
do?<BR><BR><BR>Randy</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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