<DIV style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif; font-size:10pt;">two point roll -> roll 195 degrees, correct 15 degrees back to 180 and then roll to 180 to upright. I see corrections with some frequency.<BR><BR>Is the correct double jeopardy or a second error?<BR><BR>Randy<BR><BR><BR><BR>--- d.pappas@kodeos.com wrote:<BR><BR>From: "Dean Pappas" <d.pappas@kodeos.com><BR>To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Judging Question<BR>Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 10:17:48 -0500<BR><BR>
<DIV><SPAN><FONT color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">Hi
Larry,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN><FONT color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">The
general principle is no double jeopardy. You don't get dunned twice for the same
mistake.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN><FONT color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">Dean</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<P><FONT face="Times New Roman">Dean Pappas</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Times New Roman">Sr. Design Engineer</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Times New Roman">Kodeos Communications</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Times New Roman">111 Corporate Blvd.</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Times New Roman">South Plainfield, N.J. 07080</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Times New Roman">(908) 222-7817 phone</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Times New Roman">(908) 222-2392 fax</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Times New Roman">d.pappas@kodeos.com</FONT> </P>
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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Lisa
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<P><FONT color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><SPAN style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial;">Thanks Dave, Matt and
Ken…</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><SPAN style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial;"> </SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><SPAN style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial;">I’ll get some rest
and work on my math before asking the next question…I was questioning myself
on how I was reading it, glad I asked the
question….</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P><FONT color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><SPAN style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial;">Larry</SPAN></FONT></P>
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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B><SPAN style="font-weight: bold;">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Dave Lockhart<BR><B><SPAN style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</SPAN></B> Thursday, March 01, 2007 11:04
PM<BR><B><SPAN style="font-weight: bold;">To:</SPAN></B> 'NSRCA Mailing List'<BR><B><SPAN style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</SPAN></B> [Norton AntiSpam] Re:
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<P><FONT color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><SPAN style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial;">Larry,</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><SPAN style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial;"> </SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><SPAN style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial;">The 4 hesitations
should be at 90, 180, 270, and 360 degrees. The total number of degrees
of deviation from 90, 180, 270, and 360 would be the number of degrees of
error.</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><SPAN style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial;"> </SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><SPAN style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial;">If I understand your
scenario correctly, the first point is 25 degrees off (115 – 90 = 25).
The 2<SUP>nd</SUP>, 3<SUP>rd</SUP>, and 4<SUP>th</SUP> points are on target at
180, 270, and 360. You have a total of 25 degree errors in roll.
Applying 1 point per 15 degrees…..you have 25 / 15 =
1.67</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><SPAN style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial;">point deduction…. =s
8.33 which rounds to 8.5 for AMA or 8 for FAI.</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><SPAN style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial;"> </SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><SPAN style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial;">25 degree errors in
roll are quite large!!! Penalizing the roll segment from 115 degrees to
180 degrees because it is less than 90 degrees of rotation would be double
jeopardy.</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><SPAN style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial;"><BR>Regards,</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><SPAN style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial;"><BR>Dave
Lockhart</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><SPAN style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial;"><A>DaveL322@comcast.net</A></SPAN></FONT></P>
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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B><SPAN style="font-weight: bold;">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Lisa & Larry<BR><B><SPAN style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</SPAN></B> Thursday, March 01, 2007 11:09
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<P><FONT color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><SPAN style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial;">OK…Here is an
interesting scenario…I’m learning and wish to judge fairly and accurately, not
trying to start a debate…</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P><FONT color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><SPAN style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial;">4 point
roll…1<SUP>st</SUP> quarter roll is 115 degrees (over rotated), second is 65
degrees (corrected wings level), 3<SUP>rd</SUP> and 4<SUP>th</SUP> are 90
degrees….No other visible downgrades</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><SPAN style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial;"> </SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><SPAN style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial;">RCA-23 4-point
downgrade 1 states, “One-Quarter rolls more or less than 90
degrees.</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><SPAN style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial;"> </SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><SPAN style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial;">Based on how I read
it, the maneuver is scored an 8 for two quarters not rolling 90 degrees even
though the second quarter corrected to wings
level.</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><SPAN style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial;"> </SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><SPAN style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial;">The other
interpretation would be the implication in item 1, is referencing 90 degrees
to a vertical or horizontal plain, and not rotation, resulting in a score of
9.</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><SPAN style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial;"> </SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><SPAN style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial;">I’ll apologize now in
advance for where this may go…</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P><FONT color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><SPAN style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial;">Larry</SPAN></FONT></P>
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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B><SPAN style="font-weight: bold;">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Dave Lockhart<BR><B><SPAN style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</SPAN></B> Thursday, March 01, 2007 5:49
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<P><FONT color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><SPAN style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial;">The rules are
–</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><SPAN style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial;"> </SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><SPAN style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial;">- 1 point per 15
(FIFTEEN) degrees. Summing partial points is allowable
(recommended).</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><SPAN style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial;">- A “perfect
maneuver” is not necessarily defect free – it is free of defects that would
warrant downgrading to a 9 (in FAI) or a 9.5 (in
AMA).</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><SPAN style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial;">- when “on the
fence”, round up. Ie, a single 7.5 degree error in is a 0.5 point
downgrade, - the score in FAI is 10, not 9.</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><SPAN style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial;"> </SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><SPAN style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial;">Regards,</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><SPAN style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial;"><BR>Dave
Lockhart</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><SPAN style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial;"><A>DaveL322@comcast.net</A></SPAN></FONT></P>
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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B><SPAN style="font-weight: bold;">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Del K. Rykert<BR><B><SPAN style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</SPAN></B> Thursday, March 01, 2007 6:30
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<P><FONT face="Arial" size="2"><SPAN style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">I whole heartedly concur
Fred. Thanks for your reply. </SPAN></FONT></P><P></P></DIV>
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<P><B><FONT face="Arial" size="2"><SPAN style="font-weight: bold; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">Subject:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face="Arial" size="2"><SPAN style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"> Re:
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<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size="2"><SPAN style="font-size: 10pt;">There's half-points... and while at FAI the half
point doesn't go on a score sheet... I still count them, and round down
before putting the score on the sheet. 9.5 becomes 9 7.5 becomes
7. In your example.. he's going to have 3 or 4 half-points off for
missing the points by appx 10 deg. That puts him to an 8. (with no
other errors)</SPAN></FONT></P><P></P></DIV>
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<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size="2"><SPAN style="font-size: 10pt;">And again... the original said (paraphrased) "I can
see a point, but can't see deviation from the 90 deg incrimental
orientations" Thats NOT downgradable. If its off from the 90
enough to downgrade, you will see it. You're trying to compare apples
and elephants. If you see the point happened and don't see the point
being off orientation... you have given no reason for downgrade. Its a
10.</SPAN></FONT></P><P></P></DIV>
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<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size="2"><SPAN style="font-size: 10pt;">You can SEE the wings being more than 5 deg off
level... If you can see it... its worth a half point downgrade at
least. the knife is a little harder to see being off, especially when
its centered.</SPAN></FONT></P><P></P></DIV>
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<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size="2"><SPAN style="font-size: 10pt;">If you are consistant... you can count tenths of a
point errors if you want... then round according to your own method for a
score that meets the whole point or half point incriments that get put on
the sheet. </SPAN></FONT></P><P></P></DIV>
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<P><FONT face="Arial" size="2"><SPAN style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">Hi Fred.
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<P><FONT face="Arial" size="2"><SPAN style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"> Do I assume
3 flyers you are judging doing point rolls, if all elements are done
correctly, except for the points or a point, does pilot "A" who under
rotates by 10º and pilot "B" who over rotates in a point by 10º and
pilot "C" who nails the point @ 90º all get a 10 score? All other
elements are done perfect. Not typical real world but have been their
and had to score as I interpret the rules.
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<P><B><FONT face="Arial" size="2"><SPAN style="font-weight: bold; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">Subject:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face="Arial" size="2"><SPAN style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Judging Question</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size="2"><SPAN style="font-size: 10pt;">The original description said the points were
noted. </SPAN></FONT></P><P></P></DIV>
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<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size="2"><SPAN style="font-size: 10pt;">No downgrade for lack of
points.</SPAN></FONT></P><P></P></DIV>
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<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size="2"><SPAN style="font-size: 10pt;">The original description just complained "I
couldn't see if the point was ON the 90" Well that means it was
less than 15 deg off because you WOULD see 15 deg off.
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<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size="2"><SPAN style="font-size: 10pt;">No downgrade.</SPAN></FONT></P><P></P></DIV>
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<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size="2"><SPAN style="font-size: 10pt;">No downgradable item was noted in the initial
point roll description.</SPAN></FONT></P><P></P></DIV>
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<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size="2"><SPAN style="font-size: 10pt;">Its a 10</SPAN></FONT></P><P></P></DIV>
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<A title="drykert2@rochester.rr.com">Del K. Rykert</A>
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<P><B><FONT face="Arial" size="2"><SPAN style="font-weight: bold; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">Sent:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face="Arial" size="2"><SPAN style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">
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Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Judging
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<P><STRONG><B><FONT color="blue" face="Arial" size="2"><SPAN style="font-size: 10pt; color: blue; font-family: Arial;">I sure concur
Gene .</SPAN></FONT></B></STRONG></P><P></P></DIV>
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<FONT color="blue"><SPAN style="color: blue;">Del</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT></P><P></P></DIV>
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<A title="gene.maurice@sgmservice.com">Gene Maurice</A>
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Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Judging
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<P><FONT color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><SPAN style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial;">If the
points are so fast as to make it indiscernible what angle they
occurred at, then I would tend to doubt whether the point occurred
at all. Score 0. It is the pilot’s responsibility to present the
maneuver in such a manner to demonstrate that the maneuver has in
fact been done according to the rules. I sincerely doubt that a 4
point can be done in 1.25 seconds with defined stops in the roll
every 90 degrees. But it remains that if, as a judge, you cannot
clearly see the relevant elements of any maneuver being performed,
then you should assume that IT HAS NOT been performed. The elements
must be demonstrated not assumed. </SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><SPAN style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial;"> </SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><SPAN style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial;">Don Ramsey,
can you clarify?</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P><FONT color="navy" face="Times New Roman" size="2"><SPAN style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy;">Gene
Maurice<BR>gene.maurice@sgmservice.com<BR>Plano, TX<BR>AMA 3408, NSRCA
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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B><SPAN style="font-weight: bold;">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Glenn
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<P><FONT face="Arial" size="2"><SPAN style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">Ok time to get back to
our favorite list questions.<BR><BR>This comes from a real life
judging problem. The question is about the 4-point roll.
This what I am seeing. A 4 point roll that takes less than
1.25 second to complete. You can see 4 very short
pauses. The manever appears to be centered. I see no
change in height or coming in or out. It appears to be between
150M and 175M. But the pauses are so short that I cannot
really tell if the rolls between pauses are 90 degrees. So I
cannot see what the 1 point per 15 degree down grade should
be.<BR><BR><BR>What would you
do?<BR><BR><BR>Randy</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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