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<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif">----- Original Message ----<BR>From: Lisa & Larry <lld613@psci.net><BR>To: NSRCA Mailing List <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><BR>Sent: Friday, March 2, 2007 12:12:56 AM<BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Judging Question<BR><BR>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Dave Lockhart<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Thursday, March 01, 2007 11:04 PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> ' NSRCA Mailing List '<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> [Norton AntiSpam] Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Judging Question</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The 4 hesitations should be at 90, 180, 270, and 360 degrees. The total number of degrees of deviation from 90, 180, 270, and 360 would be the number of degrees of error.</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">If I understand your scenario correctly, the first point is 25 degrees off (115 – 90 = 25). The 2<SUP>nd</SUP>, 3<SUP>rd</SUP>, and 4<SUP>th</SUP> points are on target at 180, 270, and 360. You have a total of 25 degree errors in roll. Applying 1 point per 15 degrees…..you have 25 / 15 = 1.67</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">point deduction…. =s 8.33 which rounds to 8.5 for AMA or 8 for FAI.</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">25 degree errors in roll are quite large!!! Penalizing the roll segment from 115 degrees to 180 degrees because it is less than 90 degrees of rotation would be double jeopardy.</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Lisa & Larry<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Thursday, March 01, 2007 11:09 PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> ' NSRCA Mailing List '<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Judging Question</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">OK…Here is an interesting scenario…I’m learning and wish to judge fairly and accurately, not trying to start a debate…</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">4 point roll…1<SUP>st</SUP> quarter roll is 115 degrees (over rotated), second is 65 degrees (corrected wings level), 3<SUP>rd</SUP> and 4<SUP>th</SUP> are 90 degrees….No other visible downgrades</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">RCA-23 4-point downgrade 1 states, “One-Quarter rolls more or less than 90 degrees.</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Based on how I read it, the maneuver is scored an 8 for two quarters not rolling 90 degrees even though the second quarter corrected to wings level.</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The other interpretation would be the implication in item 1, is referencing 90 degrees to a vertical or horizontal plain, and not rotation, resulting in a score of 9.</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I’ll apologize now in advance for where this may go…</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Dave Lockhart<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Thursday, March 01, 2007 5:49 PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> ' NSRCA Mailing List '<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Judging Question</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The rules are –</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">- 1 point per 15 (FIFTEEN) degrees. Summing partial points is allowable (recommended).</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">- A “perfect maneuver” is not necessarily defect free – it is free of defects that would warrant downgrading to a 9 (in FAI) or a 9.5 (in AMA).</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">- when “on the fence”, round up. Ie, a single 7.5 degree error in is a 0.5 point downgrade, - the score in FAI is 10, not 9.</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Regards,</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I whole heartedly concur Fred. Thanks for your reply. </SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4"><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A title=fhhuber@clearwire.net href="mailto:fhhuber@clearwire.net" target=_blank rel=nofollow>Fred Huber</A> </SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sent:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> Thursday, March 01, 2007 4:39 PM</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">There's half-points... and while at FAI the half point doesn't go on a score sheet... I still count them, and round down before putting the score on the sheet. 9.5 becomes 9 7.5 becomes 7. In your example.. he's going to have 3 or 4 half-points off for missing the points by appx 10 deg. That puts him to an 8. (with no other errors)</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">And again... the original said (paraphrased) "I can see a point, but can't see deviation from the 90 deg incrimental orientations" Thats NOT downgradable. If its off from the 90 enough to downgrade, you will see it. You're trying to compare apples and elephants. If you see the point happened and don't see the point being off orientation... you have given no reason for downgrade. Its a 10.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">You can SEE the wings being more than 5 deg off level... If you can see it... its worth a half point downgrade at least. the knife is a little harder to see being off, especially when its centered.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">If you are consistant... you can count tenths of a point errors if you want... then round according to your own method for a score that meets the whole point or half point incriments that get put on the sheet. </SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4"><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A title=drykert2@rochester.rr.com href="mailto:drykert2@rochester.rr.com" target=_blank rel=nofollow>Del K. Rykert</A> </SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sent:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> Thursday, March 01, 2007 1:51 PM</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> Do I assume 3 flyers you are judging doing point rolls, if all elements are done correctly, except for the points or a point, does pilot "A" who under rotates by 10º and pilot "B" who over rotates in a point by 10º and pilot "C" who nails the point @ 90º all get a 10 score? All other elements are done perfect. Not typical real world but have been their and had to score as I interpret the rules. </SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4"><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A title=fhhuber@clearwire.net href="mailto:fhhuber@clearwire.net" target=_blank rel=nofollow>Fred Huber</A> </SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sent:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> Wednesday, February 28, 2007 9:56 PM</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Subject:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Judging Question</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">The original description said the points were noted. </SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">No downgrade for lack of points.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">The original description just complained "I couldn't see if the point was ON the 90" Well that means it was less than 15 deg off because you WOULD see 15 deg off. </SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">No downgradable item was noted in the initial point roll description.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4"><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A title=drykert2@rochester.rr.com href="mailto:drykert2@rochester.rr.com" target=_blank rel=nofollow>Del K. Rykert</A> </SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sent:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> Wednesday, February 28, 2007 3:58 PM</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><STRONG><B><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I sure concur Gene .</SPAN></FONT></B></STRONG></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4"><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A title=gene.maurice@sgmservice.com href="mailto:gene.maurice@sgmservice.com" target=_blank rel=nofollow>Gene Maurice</A> </SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sent:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> Wednesday, February 28, 2007 2:38 PM</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Subject:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Judging Question</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">If the points are so fast as to make it indiscernible what angle they occurred at, then I would tend to doubt whether the point occurred at all. Score 0. It is the pilot’s responsibility to present the maneuver in such a manner to demonstrate that the maneuver has in fact been done according to the rules. I sincerely doubt that a 4 point can be done in 1.25 seconds with defined stops in the roll every 90 degrees. But it remains that if, as a judge, you cannot clearly see the relevant elements of any maneuver being performed, then you should assume that IT HAS NOT been performed. The elements must be demonstrated not assumed. </SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy">Gene Maurice<BR>gene.maurice@sgmservice.com<BR>Plano , TX<BR>AMA 3408, NSRCA 877</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Ok time to get back to our favorite list questions.<BR><BR>This comes from a real life judging problem. The question is about the 4-point roll. This what I am seeing. A 4 point roll that takes less than 1.25 second to complete. You can see 4 very short pauses. The manever appears to be centered. I see no change in height or coming in or out. It appears to be between 150M and 175M. But the pauses are so short that I cannot really tell if the rolls between pauses are 90 degrees. So I cannot see what the 1 point per 15 degree down grade should be.<BR><BR><BR>What would you do?<BR><BR><BR>Randy</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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