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<DIV><SPAN class=657263814-01032007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Look
at how slowly your plane rotates in a spin with little or no aileron added. That
is a proper autorotation at 1 G.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=657263814-01032007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>The
answer is that it can be a real snap at pretty close to the same rotation
rate.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=657263814-01032007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>later,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=657263814-01032007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Dean</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<P><FONT face="Times New Roman">Dean Pappas</FONT> <BR><FONT
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size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Glenn
Hatfield<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, March 01, 2007 8:39 AM<BR><B>To:</B> NSRCA
Mailing List<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Judging
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<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial, sans-serif">Well, how slow
can a snap roll be and still be a snap.<BR><BR>Randy <BR><BR>---
jpavlick@idseng.com wrote:<BR><BR>From: "John Pavlick"
<jpavlick@idseng.com><BR>To: "NSRCA Mailing List"
<nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Judging Question<BR>Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 00:12:10 -0500<BR><BR>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Exactly. So... if you guys think that it's impossible to
judge all of the elements in this hypothetical 1.25 second 4-point roll, then
how DO you judge all the elements in a snap roll? I've never seen a "slow"
snap roll. Just wondering. :)</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>John Pavlick<BR><A
href="http://www.idseng.com">http://www.idseng.com</A></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Easy to judge....like a snap? A fast or slow
demonstration is not a cause for downgrade unless it gets to the point where
you really can't see the elements because its so fast. Slight
variations, or even large variations from pilot to pilot, as long as all the
elements are detectable are OK.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>--Lance</FONT></DIV>
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style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"><B>To:</B>
<A title=randy10926@comtekmail.com>randy10926@comtekmail.com</A> ; <A
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style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"><B>Sent:</B>
Wednesday, February 28, 2007 11:37 AM</DIV>
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Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Judging Question</DIV>
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<DIV>Randy,</DIV>
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<DIV>You as the Judge must not guess whether something happened or did
not. The pilot should produce a maneuver that is easy to judge. If he
fails to show you what is needed, and you are not sure that he did show
you, then it's your responsibility to downgrade.</DIV>
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<DIV>MattK</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV> <BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From:
<A>randy10926@comtekmail.com</A><BR>To:
<A>nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A><BR>Sent: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 11:23
AM<BR>Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Judging Question<BR><BR>
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<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial,sans-serif"><FONT
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial,sans-serif">Ok time to get back to
our favorite list questions.<BR><BR>This comes from a real life judging
problem. The question is about the 4-point roll. This what I
am seeing. A 4 point roll that takes less than 1.25 second to
complete. You can see 4 very short pauses. The manever appears
to be centered. I see no change in height or coming in or out.
It appears to be between 150M and 175M. But the pauses are so short
that I cannot really tell if the rolls between pauses are 90
degrees. So I cannot see what the 1 point per 15 degree down grade
should be.<BR><BR><BR>What would you
do?<BR><BR><BR>Randy<BR></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
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