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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I whole heartedly concur Fred. Thanks
for your reply. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> Del</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=fhhuber@clearwire.net href="mailto:fhhuber@clearwire.net">Fred
Huber</A> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, March 01, 2007 4:39
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Judging
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<DIV><FONT size=2>There's half-points... and while at FAI the half point
doesn't go on a score sheet... I still count them, and round down before
putting the score on the sheet. 9.5 becomes 9 7.5 becomes 7.
In your example.. he's going to have 3 or 4 half-points off for missing the
points by appx 10 deg. That puts him to an 8. (with no other
errors)</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>And again... the original said (paraphrased) "I can see a
point, but can't see deviation from the 90 deg incrimental orientations"
Thats NOT downgradable. If its off from the 90 enough to downgrade, you
will see it. You're trying to compare apples and elephants. If you
see the point happened and don't see the point being off orientation... you
have given no reason for downgrade. Its a 10.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>You can SEE the wings being more than 5 deg off
level... If you can see it... its worth a half point downgrade at
least. the knife is a little harder to see being off, especially when
its centered.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>If you are consistant... you can count tenths of a point
errors if you want... then round according to your own method for a score that
meets the whole point or half point incriments that get put on the
sheet. </FONT></DIV>
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<A title=drykert2@rochester.rr.com
href="mailto:drykert2@rochester.rr.com">Del K. Rykert</A> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, March 01, 2007 1:51
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi Fred. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> Do I assume 3 flyers
you are judging doing point rolls, if all elements are done correctly,
except for the points or a point, does pilot "A" who under rotates
by 10º and pilot "B" who over rotates in a point by 10º and pilot "C"
who nails the point @ 90º all get a 10 score? All other elements are
done perfect. Not typical real world but have been their and had to
score as I interpret the rules. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> Del</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=fhhuber@clearwire.net href="mailto:fhhuber@clearwire.net">Fred
Huber</A> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, February 28, 2007
9:56 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Judging Question</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>The original description said the points were
noted. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>No downgrade for lack of points.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>The original description just complained "I couldn't see
if the point was ON the 90" Well that means it was less than 15 deg
off because you WOULD see 15 deg off. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>No downgrade.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>No downgradable item was noted in the initial point roll
description.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Its a 10</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=drykert2@rochester.rr.com
href="mailto:drykert2@rochester.rr.com">Del K. Rykert</A> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, February 28, 2007
3:58 PM</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><STRONG>I sure concur Gene
.</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> <FONT
color=#0000ff>Del</FONT></FONT></DIV>
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<A title=gene.maurice@sgmservice.com
href="mailto:gene.maurice@sgmservice.com">Gene Maurice</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=randy10926@comtekmail.com
href="mailto:randy10926@comtekmail.com">randy10926@comtekmail.com</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, February 28,
2007 2:38 PM</DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">If the points
are so fast as to make it indiscernible what angle they occurred at,
then I would tend to doubt whether the point occurred at all. Score 0.
It is the pilot’s responsibility to present the maneuver in such a
manner to demonstrate that the maneuver has in fact been done
according to the rules. I sincerely doubt that a 4 point can be done
in 1.25 seconds with defined stops in the roll every 90 degrees. But
it remains that if, as a judge, you cannot clearly see the relevant
elements of any maneuver being performed, then you should assume that
IT HAS NOT been performed. The elements must be demonstrated not
assumed. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Don Ramsey,
can you clarify?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy">Gene
Maurice<BR>gene.maurice@sgmservice.com<BR><st1:place
w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Plano</st1:City>, <st1:State
w:st="on">TX</st1:State></st1:place><BR>AMA 3408, NSRCA
877</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Ok time to get back to our
favorite list questions.<BR><BR>This comes from a real life judging
problem. The question is about the 4-point roll. This what
I am seeing. A 4 point roll that takes less than 1.25 second to
complete. You can see 4 very short pauses. The manever
appears to be centered. I see no change in height or coming in
or out. It appears to be between 150M and 175M. But the
pauses are so short that I cannot really tell if the rolls between
pauses are 90 degrees. So I cannot see what the 1 point per 15
degree down grade should be.<BR><BR><BR>What would you
do?<BR><BR><BR>Randy<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV></DIV>
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