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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>It was interesting watching him fly it during a
round I was not judging. The stick was moving back and forth as fast as it
could be moved. I felt he was flying in a style to make it hard to find
errors; not a manner to present all the elements. But can you really prove
that.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Interesting comments. As the judge it is your
decision to make.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Randy </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
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<A title=gene.maurice@sgmservice.com
href="mailto:gene.maurice@sgmservice.com">Gene Maurice</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">'NSRCA Mailing List'</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, February 28, 2007 5:47
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Judging
Question</DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I the case you
mention I would agree. The maneuver is a half square with a 2 of 4 point. The
point roll is but a single point and only one element of the maneuver. In the
case of the four point roll, miss one I would SIGNIFICANTLY downgrade, 5-6
points, miss more than one then it’s a zero. Because 1) multiple major errors,
2) it’s no longer the defined maneuver. I made and assumption in my statement
that multiple points were missed. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">As someone else
stated, I’d like to see the pilot that could execute a 1.25 second 4 point
poll correctly. Then I’d like to meet the judge that could actually ascertain
that all of the elements necessary were present and executed correctly. The
point I was trying to make is that it is the pilot’s responsibility to show
the elements of the maneuver. As a judge, if you didn’t clearly see it, it
didn’t happen, ergo it becomes a missed element of the maneuver.
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy">Gene
Maurice<BR>gene.maurice@sgmservice.com<BR><st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City
w:st="on">Plano</st1:City>, <st1:State
w:st="on">TX</st1:State></st1:place><BR>AMA 3408, NSRCA
877</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Lisa & Larry<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Wednesday, February 28, 2007 4:07
PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> '<st1:PersonName
w:st="on">NSRCA Mailing List</st1:PersonName>'<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Judging
Question</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Last year I scored a
zero for not hesitating on a point roll in a ½ square w/ 2/4 point. The pilot
approached me and asked about the zero. In our discussion the pilot asked if I
blinked. I couldn’t rule out that I may have but I didn’t see the hesitation
and I could score it as such. After talking to a couple of folks, I learned
that a zero isn’t warranted on the basis of -no hesitation- for a point roll.
After talking with the CD I did correct my score based on the rule outlined on
page RCA-20 for Rolls, note 4. Pretty close to the same wording as last year.
I wanted to make sure I scored it correctly based on what I
saw.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">So I learned two
things on that day…One, make sure I don’t blink when judging point rolls…Two,
not hesitating on a point rolls is not a zero although it should be a severe
downgrade of 5 or more points.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Larry<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Gene Maurice<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Wednesday, February 28, 2007 1:38
PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> <st1:PersonName
w:st="on">randy10926@comtekmail.com</st1:PersonName>; '<st1:PersonName
w:st="on">NSRCA Mailing List</st1:PersonName>'<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Judging
Question</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">If the points are so
fast as to make it indiscernible what angle they occurred at, then I would
tend to doubt whether the point occurred at all. Score 0. It is the pilot’s
responsibility to present the maneuver in such a manner to demonstrate that
the maneuver has in fact been done according to the rules. I sincerely doubt
that a 4 point can be done in 1.25 seconds with defined stops in the roll
every 90 degrees. But it remains that if, as a judge, you cannot clearly see
the relevant elements of any maneuver being performed, then you should assume
that IT HAS NOT been performed. The elements must be demonstrated not assumed.
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Don Ramsey, can you
clarify?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy">Gene
Maurice<BR>gene.maurice@sgmservice.com<BR><st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City
w:st="on">Plano</st1:City>, <st1:State
w:st="on">TX</st1:State></st1:place><BR>AMA 3408, NSRCA
877</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Glenn Hatfield<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Wednesday, February 28, 2007 10:24
AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> nsrca-discuss list
<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> [NSRCA-discussion]
Judging Question</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Ok time to get back to our
favorite list questions.<BR><BR>This comes from a real life judging
problem. The question is about the 4-point roll. This what I am
seeing. A 4 point roll that takes less than 1.25 second to
complete. You can see 4 very short pauses. The manever appears to
be centered. I see no change in height or coming in or out. It
appears to be between 150M and 175M. But the pauses are so short that I
cannot really tell if the rolls between pauses are 90 degrees. So I
cannot see what the 1 point per 15 degree down grade should
be.<BR><BR><BR>What would you
do?<BR><BR><BR>Randy<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV></DIV>
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