<HTML><BODY style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; "><BR><DIV><DIV>On Feb 28, 2007, at 1:05 PM, Fred Huber wrote:</DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"> <DIV><FONT size="2">If you can't see a downgrade, you can't downgrade it</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV>Yes, that's true, unless he's flying so far out that you can't see the downgrade because you can't see the airplane. Then you downgrade for flying so $#@! far out!</DIV><DIV><BR><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"> <DIV><FONT size="2"></FONT> <FONT class="Apple-style-span" size="2"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 10px;">Roll rate (as long as consistant within the maneuver) is not downgradeable. If it had a blazing roll rate and noticeable pauses... its a 4-point. its up to you to either be able to see any deviation form correct point orientation... or to assume they are on the correct orientations.</SPAN></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV>However, there is some "wiggle room" for a judge under the smoothness and gracefulness criteria. If two pilots are technically equal, the one who presents the maneuvers smoother and more graceful should be scored higher</DIV><DIV><BR><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"> <DIV><FONT size="2">So... you listed no downgradable thing... its a 10</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV>That's the way I think you should judge.</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Ron Van Putte<BR><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title="randy10926@comtekmail.com" href="mailto:randy10926@comtekmail.com">Glenn Hatfield</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title="nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discuss list </A></DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, February 28, 2007 10:23 AM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [NSRCA-discussion] Judging Question</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial, sans-serif"><FONT size="2"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial,sans-serif">Ok time to get back to our favorite list questions.<BR><BR>This comes from a real life judging problem. The question is about the 4-point roll. This what I am seeing. A 4 point roll that takes less than 1.25 second to complete. You can see 4 very short pauses. The manever appears to be centered. I see no change in height or coming in or out. It appears to be between 150M and 175M. But the pauses are so short that I cannot really tell if the rolls between pauses are 90 degrees. So I cannot see what the 1 point per 15 degree down grade should be.<BR><BR><BR>What would you do?<BR><BR><BR>Randy<BR></SPAN></FONT></DIV><DIV> <BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><HR><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV>_______________________________________________<BR>NSRCA-discussion mailing list<BR><A href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A><BR>http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion <DIV> <BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><HR><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV>No virus found in this incoming message.<BR>Checked by AVG Free Edition.<BR>Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.4/705 - Release Date: 2/27/2007 3:24 PM<BR></BLOCKQUOTE><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">_______________________________________________</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">NSRCA-discussion mailing list</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><A href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><A href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</A></DIV> </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR></BODY></HTML>