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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>No s**t, people are up tight this time of
year and have too much time on their hands. I am getting a little bummed with
all the bickering. Can’t we all just fly and get along.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Archie Stafford<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, January 15, 2007
11:03 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> '<st1:PersonName w:st="on">NSRCA
Mailing List</st1:PersonName>'<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Back to glow???!!!</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Anyone else looking forward to April/May
so that people wont have as much time in front of the computer??<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Robert Mairs<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, January 15, 2007
9:50 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">NSRCA
Mailing List</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Back to glow???!!!</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Actually, I agree with some of the stuff you wrote, and not
some of the stuff you wrote. I do know when someone wants to scare
people off electric, they always throw in the fire senario. Wasn't
trying to be funny at all.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:Jim.Woodward@armorholdings.com"
title="Jim.Woodward@armorholdings.com">Jim Woodward</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
title="nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Monday, January
15, 2007 9:33 AM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Back to glow???!!!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>That’s funny
Robert, <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I would prefer to think
that the YS sponsorship had something to do with the last 7 years of pattern
flying, about 50 contests, a 2002 nats win and some other years of placing
there, a whole mess of local wins from intermediate – FAI. I
don’t know – maybe 15 or 20 K-Factor articles, some time on the
judging committee and as D7 and D3 AVP positions. I happen to like it
when people share some experienced based information, instead of the wealth of
conjecture threads like “… what color scheme is the
best.” … just me thinking out loud though.... other
opinions vary I’m sure. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>… and to think I
thought I wrote a fairly clean email below, not flaming particular E
–quipment, and I even mentioning OS </span></font><font color=navy
face=Wingdings><span style='font-family:Wingdings;color:navy'>J</span></font><font
color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial;color:navy'> .
As I wrote it, I felt a flame from <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:State w:st="on">Del</st1:State></st1:place>
may be coming though, as I did mention Hatori, which may or not be an advertiser
in the K-Factor???? I don’t know – haven’t been reading
the list of advertiser sections in the big K lately. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Jim W.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Robert Mairs<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, January 15, 2007
9:19 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">NSRCA
Mailing List</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Back to glow???!!!</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Fire............that's a low blow, you earned your YS
sponsorship!!</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:Jim.Woodward@armorholdings.com"
title="Jim.Woodward@armorholdings.com">Jim Woodward</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Monday, January 15,
2007 8:48 AM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Hi Mike,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoAutoSig><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>After the Nationals this summer I switched
back from E to glow and now running the YS 160. This motor has been
really fun to run, but I have sent one back due to a dragging on the
back-plate. This was repaired and runs like a thoroughbred now.
There is almost no drip of any kind on this system until the exhaust point of
the stinger (using Hatori 821/822 combination from Central….)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoAutoSig><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I hope you have a good E-experience.
There was not a single E-component in the powertrain I used that did not
outright fail after just a few flights, fail out of the package, or have
seriously degraded performance after a short number of runs. Further,
while expecting “consistent” performance, I found more variables
taking place with the E setup than on glow. Looking back, my OS 140 setup
was more “consistent” day to day than my E-period. The E
stuff is critical on monitoring battery consumption, amps, etc…
This pertains to the equipment I used. I realized that my
comfort running glow and dealing with the full realm of potential problems is
easier for me to handle than learning an entirely new problem solving set for
E, then having duplicate equipment to deal with those potential problems.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoAutoSig><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>For me – (advice just worth what
your paying for it), the E stuff takes way more time & money to
“care-and-feed” than my glow setup, and this far out weighs any
potential E-Advantage. I do not think you get a “better flying plane”
with E, you just get to play with bigger prop diameters. If there is a
point benefit to flying E, I think that the planes are so close that if were to
blink or sneeze during the flight one would overtake the other.
I think the E stuff is a bit more one dimensional and you should
anticipate your weather conditions a bit more than with glow (… the
haul-butt option always seems to be present with the glow setup if you want
it). You need to develop a ton of insight into your E setup as to avoid
ruining it quickly. I think that for 97.5% of us pattern fliers, we are
far better served just by getting more flying time in. For me it is FAR
EASIER to take a gallon of fuel out and fly. When I get home the plane
goes on the shelf until next week – no need to sit and watch batteries
charging so I can put out a potential fire.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoAutoSig><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoAutoSig><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Jim W.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoAutoSig><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>YS Performance. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>mike mueller<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, January 15, 2007
8:14 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <ST1:PERSONNAME u1:st="on"><st1:PersonName
w:st="on">NSRCA Mailing List</ST1:PERSONNAME></st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Back to glow???!!!</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> This year I have one E. and one DZ plane. I'm really looking
forward to not having to clean gunky exhaust off all the time. I really think
that flying Electric is easier. Just plug it in and take off. I'm also looking
forward to the potential savings I will see in shipping from Richards repair
shop and my house. Trust me it's been a substantial sum. Mike<br>
<br>
<b><i><span style='font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>Robert Mairs
<robertm@sssnet.com></span></i></b> wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Any time I get the urge to go back to the DZ, I just look at my old log
<br>
book, that usually ends it. Plus I called the hobby shop to see what a case <br>
of 30% was going for since I hadn't bought any in a couple of years, my <br>
original packs are at breakeven with glow, any extra is a bonus.<br>
<br>
<br>
> Adrien L Terrenoire wrote:<br>
>> Just recently I was having a discussion with several top pattern<br>
>> fliers adn the sentiment seemed to be that we will be heading BACK to<br>
>> nitro power, and away from the current, pun intended, trend.<br>
>><br>
>> Any thoughts out there?<br>
>><br>
>> Terry T<br>
>><br>
>> On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 21:18:55 -0500 "Emory Schroeter"<br>
>> <EMORYDMD@EARTHLINK.NET><MAILTO:EMORYDMD_X0040_EARTHLINK.NET>>
writes:<br>
>><br>
>> Jon,<br>
>><br>
>> Don't let it get under your skin. Someone will always find fault<br>
>> with what you do when it is done publicly. BTW, I saved a copy of<br>
>> your article just in case I decide to switch back to glow :-)<br>
>> Although, I'm not ready to switch back yet. Thanks for taking the<br>
>> time to do it. It is important that folks like yourself contribute<br>
>> to the KF. It is the only way it will continue to be a fantastic<br>
>> publication.<br>
>><br>
>> Thanks, Emory.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> ----- Original Message -----<br>
>> *From:* JonLowe@aol.com <br>
<MAILTO:JONLOWE_X0040_AOL.COM>>> *To:* nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<br>
>> <br>
<MAILTO:NSRCA-DISCUSSION_X0040_LISTS.NSRCA.ORG>>> *Sent:* Sunday, January
14, 2007 2:15 PM<br>
>> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] List rules... ??<br>
>><br>
>> Amen. I'm getting tired of the "political correctness" both<br>
>> on the list and the K Factor. I'm taking it a little personal<br>
>> at this point, because <ST1:PERSONNAME u1:st="on"><st1:PersonName
w:st="on">Lamar Blair</ST1:PERSONNAME></st1:PersonName> told me that he got a<br>
>> letter (not email) the other day blasting the article I wrote<br>
>> on the OS 1.60 in the Nov 2006 K Factor. Why? Because I<br>
>> dared to mention Tower Hobbies and other sources as suggested<br>
>> places you could get the pieces I described. I have not seen<br>
>> the letter, as Lamar sent it on to Derek K., but Lamar<br>
>> described the contents. The writer is a member of NSRCA and<br>
>> was offended because I mentioned non-advertising vendors, at<br>
>> the alledged expense of advertising vendors and local hobby<br>
>> shops. Let's see, Great Planes is a regular full page<br>
>> advertiser in the K Factor as the importer for Futaba and OS.<br>
>> Hmm, who owns Great Planes? Hobbico. Who owns Tower?<br>
>> Hobbico. Seems like Hobbico supports the K Factor to me. So<br>
>> much for that crime.<br>
>><br>
>> Other vendors I mentioned were Aeroslave, Andy Pollitt for<br>
>> nose rings, Home Depot, Karl Mueller for headers, Boca<br>
>> Bearings, Dave Lockhart for repitched props, Bob Pasterello<br>
>> for coupler material, Morgan fuel, and a couple of others in<br>
>> passing. Why did I mention them? Because that would have<br>
>> been the first email I got, asking, "where do you buy this<br>
>> stuff?". Some of these guys are so small that advertising a<br>
>> lot doesn't make sense for them. Very few, if any, of the<br>
>> specialized parts may be available at your particular local<br>
>> hobby shop (LHS), and some vendors don't sell thru LHS. I<br>
>> support my LHS, but giving sources lets people look at what<br>
>> they are buying, even if they get it thru the LHS. I also<br>
>> support K Factor vendors, as my bills from Central and Budd<br>
>> prove. And sometimes I just don't feel like driving 20<br>
>> minutes to my LHS for something they don't stock and would<br>
>> special order, that I can order online and have delivered to<br>
>> my door in a couple of days.<br>
>><br>
>> Frankly, I think Ihncheol did the right thing. He let people<br>
>> know of a supply for a scare product in high demand. He could<br>
>> have told his buddies about it, and have one of them post it,<br>
>> and no one would (or could)have said a thing. It isn't like<br>
>> he is on here all the time pushing his products.<br>
>><br>
>> The writer of the letter did not have the courtesy to copy me<br>
>> on the letter. Derek, if you read this, please send me a copy<br>
>> when you get it. Frankly, if the whole thing wasn't so<br>
>> ridiculous, I'd think twice about writing another article for<br>
>> the K Factor.<br>
>><br>
>> Incidently, I am not sponsored by any of the companies I<br>
>> mentioned in my article or here. I do write for RC Report on<br>
>> occasion. Oops, I just mentioned a non-advertisor! Shame on<br>
>> me...<br>
>><br>
>> Jon Lowe<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> In a message dated 1/14/2007 11:42:58 AM Central Standard<br>
>> Time, ronlock@comcast.net writes:<br>
>><br>
>> We benefit from short focused posts on availability of<br>
>> some difficult to<br>
>> find product/part, substitute parts, reference to a part<br>
>> to solve problems,<br>
>> answers to questions, etc. Be that from a sponsored<br>
>> pilot, service company,<br>
>> cottage supplier, etc.<br>
>><br>
>> Do we need to ask NSRCA leadership for an interpretation<br>
>> or re-write of the<br>
>> Policy to establish a "Balance" of OK information as<br>
>> opposed to abuse of the<br>
>> list<br>
>> by advertisers? If this is a problem, then maybe so. Ive<br>
>> not seen a<br>
>> problem.<br>
>><br>
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