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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Fire............that's a low blow, you earned your
YS sponsorship!!</FONT></DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=Jim.Woodward@armorholdings.com
href="mailto:Jim.Woodward@armorholdings.com">Jim Woodward</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, January 15, 2007 8:48
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Back to
glow???!!!</DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Hi
Mike,<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoAutoSig><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">After the Nationals
this summer I switched back from E to glow and now running the YS 160.
This motor has been really fun to run, but I have sent one back due to a
dragging on the back-plate. This was repaired and runs like a
thoroughbred now. There is almost no drip of any kind on this system
until the exhaust point of the stinger (using Hatori 821/822 combination from
Central….)<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoAutoSig><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I hope you have a
good E-experience. There was not a single E-component in the powertrain
I used that did not outright fail after just a few flights, fail out of the
package, or have seriously degraded performance after a short number of
runs. Further, while expecting “consistent” performance, I found more
variables taking place with the E setup than on glow. Looking back, my
OS 140 setup was more “consistent” day to day than my E-period. The E
stuff is critical on monitoring battery consumption, amps, etc…
This pertains to the equipment I used. I realized that my
comfort running glow and dealing with the full realm of potential problems is
easier for me to handle than learning an entirely new problem solving set for
E, then having duplicate equipment to deal with those potential
problems.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoAutoSig><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">For me – (advice just
worth what your paying for it), the E stuff takes way more time & money to
“care-and-feed” than my glow setup, and this far out weighs any potential
E-Advantage. I do not think you get a “better flying plane” with E, you
just get to play with bigger prop diameters. If there is a point benefit
to flying E, I think that the planes are so close that if were to blink or
sneeze during the flight one would overtake the other. I
think the E stuff is a bit more one dimensional and you should anticipate your
weather conditions a bit more than with glow (… the haul-butt option always
seems to be present with the glow setup if you want it). You need to
develop a ton of insight into your E setup as to avoid ruining it
quickly. I think that for 97.5% of us pattern fliers, we are far better
served just by getting more flying time in. For me it is FAR EASIER to
take a gallon of fuel out and fly. When I get home the plane goes on the
shelf until next week – no need to sit and watch batteries charging so I can
put out a potential fire.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoAutoSig><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Thanks,<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoAutoSig><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Jim
W.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoAutoSig><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">YS Performance.
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nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>mike mueller<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Monday, January 15, 2007 8:14
AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> <ST1:PERSONNAME
w:st="on">NSRCA Mailing List</ST1:PERSONNAME><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Back to
glow???!!!</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> This year I have one E. and one DZ plane. I'm
really looking forward to not having to clean gunky exhaust off all the time.
I really think that flying Electric is easier. Just plug it in and take off.
I'm also looking forward to the potential savings I will see in shipping from
Richards repair shop and my house. Trust me it's been a substantial sum.
Mike<BR><BR><B><I><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-STYLE: italic">Robert
Mairs <robertm@sssnet.com></SPAN></I></B> wrote:
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Any time I get the urge to go back to the DZ, I just
look at my old log <BR>book, that usually ends it. Plus I called the hobby
shop to see what a case <BR>of 30% was going for since I hadn't bought any in
a couple of years, my <BR>original packs are at breakeven with glow, any extra
is a bonus.<BR><BR><BR>> Adrien L Terrenoire wrote:<BR>>> Just
recently I was having a discussion with several top pattern<BR>>> fliers
adn the sentiment seemed to be that we will be heading BACK to<BR>>>
nitro power, and away from the current, pun intended,
trend.<BR>>><BR>>> Any thoughts out there?<BR>>><BR>>>
Terry T<BR>>><BR>>> On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 21:18:55 -0500 "Emory
Schroeter"<BR>>>
<EMORYDMD@EARTHLINK.NET><MAILTO:EMORYDMD_X0040_EARTHLINK.NET>>
writes:<BR>>><BR>>> Jon,<BR>>><BR>>> Don't let it get
under your skin. Someone will always find fault<BR>>> with what you do
when it is done publicly. BTW, I saved a copy of<BR>>> your article just
in case I decide to switch back to glow :-)<BR>>> Although, I'm not
ready to switch back yet. Thanks for taking the<BR>>> time to do it. It
is important that folks like yourself contribute<BR>>> to the KF. It is
the only way it will continue to be a fantastic<BR>>>
publication.<BR>>><BR>>> Thanks,
Emory.<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> ----- Original Message
-----<BR>>> *From:* JonLowe@aol.com
<BR><MAILTO:JONLOWE_X0040_AOL.COM>>> *To:*
nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<BR>>>
<BR><MAILTO:NSRCA-DISCUSSION_X0040_LISTS.NSRCA.ORG>>> *Sent:* Sunday,
January 14, 2007 2:15 PM<BR>>> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] List
rules... ??<BR>>><BR>>> Amen. I'm getting tired of the "political
correctness" both<BR>>> on the list and the K Factor. I'm taking it a
little personal<BR>>> at this point, because <ST1:PERSONNAME
w:st="on">Lamar Blair</ST1:PERSONNAME> told me that he got a<BR>>>
letter (not email) the other day blasting the article I wrote<BR>>> on
the OS 1.60 in the Nov 2006 K Factor. Why? Because I<BR>>> dared to
mention Tower Hobbies and other sources as suggested<BR>>> places you
could get the pieces I described. I have not seen<BR>>> the letter, as
Lamar sent it on to Derek K., but Lamar<BR>>> described the contents.
The writer is a member of NSRCA and<BR>>> was offended because I
mentioned non-advertising vendors, at<BR>>> the alledged expense of
advertising vendors and local hobby<BR>>> shops. Let's see, Great Planes
is a regular full page<BR>>> advertiser in the K Factor as the importer
for Futaba and OS.<BR>>> Hmm, who owns Great Planes? Hobbico. Who owns
Tower?<BR>>> Hobbico. Seems like Hobbico supports the K Factor to me.
So<BR>>> much for that crime.<BR>>><BR>>> Other vendors I
mentioned were Aeroslave, Andy Pollitt for<BR>>> nose rings, Home Depot,
Karl Mueller for headers, Boca<BR>>> Bearings, Dave Lockhart for
repitched props, Bob Pasterello<BR>>> for coupler material, Morgan fuel,
and a couple of others in<BR>>> passing. Why did I mention them? Because
that would have<BR>>> been the first email I got, asking, "where do you
buy this<BR>>> stuff?". Some of these guys are so small that advertising
a<BR>>> lot doesn't make sense for them. Very few, if any, of
the<BR>>> specialized parts may be available at your particular
local<BR>>> hobby shop (LHS), and some vendors don't sell thru LHS.
I<BR>>> support my LHS, but giving sources lets people look at
what<BR>>> they are buying, even if they get it thru the LHS. I
also<BR>>> support K Factor vendors, as my bills from Central and
Budd<BR>>> prove. And sometimes I just don't feel like driving
20<BR>>> minutes to my LHS for something they don't stock and
would<BR>>> special order, that I can order online and have delivered
to<BR>>> my door in a couple of days.<BR>>><BR>>> Frankly, I
think Ihncheol did the right thing. He let people<BR>>> know of a supply
for a scare product in high demand. He could<BR>>> have told his buddies
about it, and have one of them post it,<BR>>> and no one would (or
could)have said a thing. It isn't like<BR>>> he is on here all the time
pushing his products.<BR>>><BR>>> The writer of the letter did not
have the courtesy to copy me<BR>>> on the letter. Derek, if you read
this, please send me a copy<BR>>> when you get it. Frankly, if the whole
thing wasn't so<BR>>> ridiculous, I'd think twice about writing another
article for<BR>>> the K Factor.<BR>>><BR>>> Incidently, I am
not sponsored by any of the companies I<BR>>> mentioned in my article or
here. I do write for RC Report on<BR>>> occasion. Oops, I just mentioned
a non-advertisor! Shame on<BR>>> me...<BR>>><BR>>> Jon
Lowe<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> In a message dated
1/14/2007 11:42:58 AM Central Standard<BR>>> Time, ronlock@comcast.net
writes:<BR>>><BR>>> We benefit from short focused posts on
availability of<BR>>> some difficult to<BR>>> find product/part,
substitute parts, reference to a part<BR>>> to solve
problems,<BR>>> answers to questions, etc. Be that from a
sponsored<BR>>> pilot, service company,<BR>>> cottage supplier,
etc.<BR>>><BR>>> Do we need to ask NSRCA leadership for an
interpretation<BR>>> or re-write of the<BR>>> Policy to establish
a "Balance" of OK information as<BR>>> opposed to abuse of
the<BR>>> list<BR>>> by advertisers? If this is a problem, then
maybe so. Ive<BR>>> not seen a<BR>>>
problem.<BR>>><BR>>>
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