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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Actually, I agree with some of the stuff you wrote,
and not some of the stuff you wrote. I do know when someone wants
to scare people off electric, they always throw in the fire
senario. Wasn't trying to be funny at all.</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=Jim.Woodward@armorholdings.com
href="mailto:Jim.Woodward@armorholdings.com">Jim Woodward</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, January 15, 2007 9:33
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Back to
glow???!!!</DIV>
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<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">That’s funny Robert,
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I would prefer to
think that the YS sponsorship had something to do with the last 7 years of
pattern flying, about 50 contests, a 2002 nats win and some other years of
placing there, a whole mess of local wins from intermediate – FAI. I
don’t know – maybe 15 or 20 K-Factor articles, some time on the judging
committee and as D7 and D3 AVP positions. I happen to like it when
people share some experienced based information, instead of the wealth of
conjecture threads like “… what color scheme is the best.” … just me
thinking out loud though.... other opinions vary I’m sure.
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">… and to think I
thought I wrote a fairly clean email below, not flaming particular E
–quipment, and I even mentioning OS </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Wingdings
color=navy><SPAN
style="COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings">J</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial
color=navy><SPAN style="COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> . As I
wrote it, I felt a flame from <st1:State w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Del</st1:place></st1:State> may be coming though, as I did mention
Hatori, which may or not be an advertiser in the K-Factor???? I don’t
know – haven’t been reading the list of advertiser sections in the big K
lately. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Jim
W.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Robert Mairs<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Monday, January 15, 2007 9:19
AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> <st1:PersonName
w:st="on">NSRCA Mailing List</st1:PersonName><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Back to
glow???!!!</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Fire............that's a low blow,
you earned your YS sponsorship!!</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4"><B><FONT face=Arial
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face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A
title=Jim.Woodward@armorholdings.com
href="mailto:Jim.Woodward@armorholdings.com">Jim Woodward</A>
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face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</A>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
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face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> Monday,
January 15, 2007 8:48 AM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Subject:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Back to glow???!!!<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Hi
Mike,<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoAutoSig><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><O:P></O:P>After
the Nationals this summer I switched back from E to glow and now running the
YS 160. This motor has been really fun to run, but I have sent one
back due to a dragging on the back-plate. This was repaired and runs
like a thoroughbred now. There is almost no drip of any kind on this
system until the exhaust point of the stinger (using Hatori 821/822
combination from Central….)<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoAutoSig><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><O:P></O:P>I hope
you have a good E-experience. There was not a single E-component in
the powertrain I used that did not outright fail after just a few flights,
fail out of the package, or have seriously degraded performance after a
short number of runs. Further, while expecting “consistent”
performance, I found more variables taking place with the E setup than on
glow. Looking back, my OS 140 setup was more “consistent” day to day
than my E-period. The E stuff is critical on monitoring battery
consumption, amps, etc… This pertains to the equipment I
used. I realized that my comfort running glow and dealing with the
full realm of potential problems is easier for me to handle than learning an
entirely new problem solving set for E, then having duplicate equipment to
deal with those potential problems.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoAutoSig><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><O:P></O:P>For me –
(advice just worth what your paying for it), the E stuff takes way more time
& money to “care-and-feed” than my glow setup, and this far out weighs
any potential E-Advantage. I do not think you get a “better flying
plane” with E, you just get to play with bigger prop diameters. If
there is a point benefit to flying E, I think that the planes are so close
that if were to blink or sneeze during the flight one would overtake the
other. I think the E stuff is a bit more one dimensional
and you should anticipate your weather conditions a bit more than with glow
(… the haul-butt option always seems to be present with the glow setup if
you want it). You need to develop a ton of insight into your E setup
as to avoid ruining it quickly. I think that for 97.5% of us pattern
fliers, we are far better served just by getting more flying time in.
For me it is FAR EASIER to take a gallon of fuel out and fly. When I
get home the plane goes on the shelf until next week – no need to sit and
watch batteries charging so I can put out a potential
fire.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoAutoSig><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><O:P></O:P>Thanks,<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoAutoSig><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Jim
W.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoAutoSig><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">YS
Performance. <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV><FONT
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nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>mike mueller<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Monday, January 15, 2007 8:14
AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> <ST1:PERSONNAME
u1:st="on"><st1:PersonName w:st="on">NSRCA Mailing
List</st1:PersonName></ST1:PERSONNAME><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Back to
glow???!!!</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P> This year I have one E. and one DZ
plane. I'm really looking forward to not having to clean gunky exhaust off
all the time. I really think that flying Electric is easier. Just plug it in
and take off. I'm also looking forward to the potential savings I will see
in shipping from Richards repair shop and my house. Trust me it's been
a substantial sum. Mike<BR><BR><B><I><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-STYLE: italic">Robert Mairs
<robertm@sssnet.com></SPAN></I></B> wrote:
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Any time I get the urge to go back to the DZ, I just
look at my old log <BR>book, that usually ends it. Plus I called the hobby
shop to see what a case <BR>of 30% was going for since I hadn't bought any
in a couple of years, my <BR>original packs are at breakeven with glow, any
extra is a bonus.<BR><BR><BR>> Adrien L Terrenoire wrote:<BR>>>
Just recently I was having a discussion with several top pattern<BR>>>
fliers adn the sentiment seemed to be that we will be heading BACK
to<BR>>> nitro power, and away from the current, pun intended,
trend.<BR>>><BR>>> Any thoughts out
there?<BR>>><BR>>> Terry T<BR>>><BR>>> On Sun, 14
Jan 2007 21:18:55 -0500 "Emory Schroeter"<BR>>>
<EMORYDMD@EARTHLINK.NET><MAILTO:EMORYDMD_X0040_EARTHLINK.NET>>
writes:<BR>>><BR>>> Jon,<BR>>><BR>>> Don't let it
get under your skin. Someone will always find fault<BR>>> with what
you do when it is done publicly. BTW, I saved a copy of<BR>>> your
article just in case I decide to switch back to glow :-)<BR>>>
Although, I'm not ready to switch back yet. Thanks for taking
the<BR>>> time to do it. It is important that folks like yourself
contribute<BR>>> to the KF. It is the only way it will continue to be
a fantastic<BR>>> publication.<BR>>><BR>>> Thanks,
Emory.<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> ----- Original Message
-----<BR>>> *From:* JonLowe@aol.com
<BR><MAILTO:JONLOWE_X0040_AOL.COM>>> *To:*
nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<BR>>>
<BR><MAILTO:NSRCA-DISCUSSION_X0040_LISTS.NSRCA.ORG>>> *Sent:* Sunday,
January 14, 2007 2:15 PM<BR>>> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] List
rules... ??<BR>>><BR>>> Amen. I'm getting tired of the
"political correctness" both<BR>>> on the list and the K Factor. I'm
taking it a little personal<BR>>> at this point, because
<ST1:PERSONNAME u1:st="on"><st1:PersonName w:st="on">Lamar
Blair</st1:PersonName></ST1:PERSONNAME> told me that he got a<BR>>>
letter (not email) the other day blasting the article I wrote<BR>>> on
the OS 1.60 in the Nov 2006 K Factor. Why? Because I<BR>>> dared to
mention Tower Hobbies and other sources as suggested<BR>>> places you
could get the pieces I described. I have not seen<BR>>> the letter, as
Lamar sent it on to Derek K., but Lamar<BR>>> described the contents.
The writer is a member of NSRCA and<BR>>> was offended because I
mentioned non-advertising vendors, at<BR>>> the alledged expense of
advertising vendors and local hobby<BR>>> shops. Let's see, Great
Planes is a regular full page<BR>>> advertiser in the K Factor as the
importer for Futaba and OS.<BR>>> Hmm, who owns Great Planes? Hobbico.
Who owns Tower?<BR>>> Hobbico. Seems like Hobbico supports the K
Factor to me. So<BR>>> much for that crime.<BR>>><BR>>>
Other vendors I mentioned were Aeroslave, Andy Pollitt for<BR>>> nose
rings, Home Depot, Karl Mueller for headers, Boca<BR>>> Bearings, Dave
Lockhart for repitched props, Bob Pasterello<BR>>> for coupler
material, Morgan fuel, and a couple of others in<BR>>> passing. Why
did I mention them? Because that would have<BR>>> been the first email
I got, asking, "where do you buy this<BR>>> stuff?". Some of these
guys are so small that advertising a<BR>>> lot doesn't make sense for
them. Very few, if any, of the<BR>>> specialized parts may be
available at your particular local<BR>>> hobby shop (LHS), and some
vendors don't sell thru LHS. I<BR>>> support my LHS, but giving
sources lets people look at what<BR>>> they are buying, even if they
get it thru the LHS. I also<BR>>> support K Factor vendors, as my
bills from Central and Budd<BR>>> prove. And sometimes I just don't
feel like driving 20<BR>>> minutes to my LHS for something they don't
stock and would<BR>>> special order, that I can order online and have
delivered to<BR>>> my door in a couple of
days.<BR>>><BR>>> Frankly, I think Ihncheol did the right thing.
He let people<BR>>> know of a supply for a scare product in high
demand. He could<BR>>> have told his buddies about it, and have one of
them post it,<BR>>> and no one would (or could)have said a thing. It
isn't like<BR>>> he is on here all the time pushing his
products.<BR>>><BR>>> The writer of the letter did not have the
courtesy to copy me<BR>>> on the letter. Derek, if you read this,
please send me a copy<BR>>> when you get it. Frankly, if the whole
thing wasn't so<BR>>> ridiculous, I'd think twice about writing
another article for<BR>>> the K Factor.<BR>>><BR>>>
Incidently, I am not sponsored by any of the companies I<BR>>>
mentioned in my article or here. I do write for RC Report on<BR>>>
occasion. Oops, I just mentioned a non-advertisor! Shame on<BR>>>
me...<BR>>><BR>>> Jon
Lowe<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> In a message dated
1/14/2007 11:42:58 AM Central Standard<BR>>> Time, ronlock@comcast.net
writes:<BR>>><BR>>> We benefit from short focused posts on
availability of<BR>>> some difficult to<BR>>> find product/part,
substitute parts, reference to a part<BR>>> to solve
problems,<BR>>> answers to questions, etc. Be that from a
sponsored<BR>>> pilot, service company,<BR>>> cottage supplier,
etc.<BR>>><BR>>> Do we need to ask NSRCA leadership for an
interpretation<BR>>> or re-write of the<BR>>> Policy to
establish a "Balance" of OK information as<BR>>> opposed to abuse of
the<BR>>> list<BR>>> by advertisers? If this is a problem, then
maybe so. Ive<BR>>> not seen a<BR>>>
problem.<BR>>><BR>>>
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