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<DIV><FONT size=2>OK... running the experiment</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>8 oz fuel (supposed to be 30% heli fuel.. but sat for a long
time)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>4 oz water added.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>1/2 tablespoon crystals. (overkill for the 4 oz
water)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Should know what it looks like in a couple of hours. It
takes this stuff a while to do all the absorbing its going to do.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=fhhuber@clearwire.net href="mailto:fhhuber@clearwire.net">Fred
Huber</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, January 15, 2007 2:26
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Bad
fuel</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>The freezing trick works to get water out of some oils...
but not out of alcohols.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Distillation or a molecular seive will get the water out.
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>It would be a multi-stage distilation..</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Evaportaion would leave the oil behind.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>I'm not sure which evaporates first.. Methyl alcohol or
Nitromethane</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Distillation is a big mess to set up to end up with the
water out and get back all the fuel.. not cost effective to salvage 4
gallons.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>The molecular seive can be done 2 ways...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2><A
href="http://www.ecn.nl/docs/library/report/2006/rx06023.pdf">http://www.ecn.nl/docs/library/report/2006/rx06023.pdf</A></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Or there's a "gel-crystal" which will absorb water but the
alcohol molecule is too big. I am unsure if the water retention crystals
you can get a the local garden supply (even at some grocery stores) is the
correct stuff to separae water from alcohol (and oil.. but if it doesn't take
in the alcolhol it probably won't tke in the oil). Its not very
expensive ($14 gets enough crystals to absorb about 25 gallons of water) so
its a viable thing to try. (If it doesn't work you can use the crystals in
potted plants and your garden)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>I have some of the garden version gel-crystals... I guess I
could dump water into 8 oz of some very old fuel I have and see what
happens when I put the crystals in...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>I HAVE read reports of some version of gel-crystal stuff
working. The question is where to get the correct stuff. (If this isn't
the right stuff) If it works, the stuff is reusable... just strain out
the gel blobs (sintered brass clunk/pickup wouldn't let the stuff through)
then dry them in the sun. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>The garden stuff: 2 tablespoons of crystals makes over 1
quart of gel when its absorbed water.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=patterndude@tx.rr.com href="mailto:patterndude@tx.rr.com">Lance Van
Nostrand</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, January 15, 2007 12:23
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Bad
fuel</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Does this really work? The water that is
in solution will separate and freeze? </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>--Lance</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=Tom.Koenig@actewagl.com.au
href="mailto:Tom.Koenig@actewagl.com.au">Koenig, Tom</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
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</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, January 14, 2007 4:23
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Bad
fuel</DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=798432222-14012007><FONT face="Comic Sans MS"
color=#0000ff>Peter,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=798432222-14012007><FONT face="Comic Sans MS"
color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=798432222-14012007><FONT face="Comic Sans MS"
color=#0000ff>Stick it in the freezer. The water will freeze, just skim it
off. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=798432222-14012007><FONT face="Comic Sans MS"
color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=798432222-14012007><FONT face="Comic Sans MS"
color=#0000ff>Tom</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
<A
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A>
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Peter
Pennisi<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, 15 January 2007 9:11 AM<BR><B>To:</B>
'NSRCA Mailing List'<BR><B>Subject:</B> [NSRCA-discussion] Bad
fuel<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I have 4
gallons of 30% nitro fuel which was mixed with bad Methanol (unknown
at the time) the rest of the ingredients were
fine.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I am assuming
that moisture may have got the drum of methanol but I am not
sure.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Is there
anything I can do to recover this fuel for at least sport plane use or
do I count my losses and throw it out?
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