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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Whoa there hoss =)</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Ok, quick and fast history lesson. This is one you
probably should read.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Where you are now: been there, done that, got the
freakin nasty T shirt....and I DO mean with this list, AS a sportsman, not all
that long ago. My opinion is that you might be making a mistake: you're taking
it all personally, especially with those that are in disagreement. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>A lot of people here know that I'm the most vocal
guy against the "because I'm in masters and I say so" answer. I hate that, but
in this case, I don't see it. I do see a lot of people disagreeing with your
conclusions, listing why, and a lot of them happen to be masters pilots (me
included, but I was advanced a few months ago).</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>What I see is that when people propose a drastic
rule change, we have the very strong opinion that it will do more damage than
good. You're talking about instantly making hunderds of planes and thousands of
dollars worth of existing equipment obsolete. As in, illegal. To my thinking
this just doesn't work out. I am utterly convinced that it will drive many more
away than it attracts.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I understand where you're coming from, I simply
disagree. I just climbed through the ranks myself, with the same rule system we
currently have and only one sportsman pattern ago. I've flown against guys with
$300 rigs and guys with $6000 rigs and everything in between. And I'm telling
you, it's not the plane in the lower classes. It helps, but it's not THE answer.
It's about 10-15% of the equation, the proper amount of practice and good
coaching is the rest. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I can't change the perception of pattern flyers.
But I have to agree with quite a few people on this one; it's just not around
here in great numbers (the elitist attitude). If you see it different, that's
your opinion, but you can't draw those kind of conclusions from an email list.
That is a massive mistake.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I am dead serious, I really think the most damaging
thing to our "image" and whatnot is the negativity about stuff like this, NOT
the rules. The airframe rules are stable, and have been for many years. It's
your choice to do whatever you like within those really vague requirements: max
2 meters, max 5kg, max noise, display your ama # on the plane (on the right hand
wing or fuse/tail), and pretty much anything goes. That equates to a lot of
freedom, and I like it. In every class.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I like the idea that if a guy decides to compete,
he can buy/build a good plane from day one (if he so chooses) and if he keeps it
well intact, can take that plane from his first contest right through the top
levels. Not having to build/buy a new plane when he advances. The way it is now,
it's your OPTION to do it that way, or fly exactly what you're flying....you
just have to realize one thing: at the very heart of everything we discuss, this
IS competition! So what you choose as your competetive plane and power plant is
YOUR choice. if you want to fly it against a guy with a DZ160 in a Brio, have at
it....and if you do things correctly, you CAN beat him! You just have to realize
that you are going to have to work for it harder. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>And in my opinion, that's 100% FAIR. Yes, even in
sportsman. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The price and resale on a pattern plane is
extremely low. Even a very modern plane with only one season on it is a VERY
affordable option if you shop around. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>As for the sportsman sequence specifically, yep you
need some vertical. But you also have the option to get a running start, make a
nice radius, nail the upline on the pole, draw your radius over the top and
you're done. That does not require a 9 lb plane and a DZ 160. it doesn't have to
be a slow entry, throttled up on the way and a zillion feet tall. It's just an
upline......like every other upline in pattern. If it had a 4 point roll in it,
maybe I'd agree =)</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I know there are a few elitist people in pattern, I
don't get along with them very well either (in general). But in this case, I
think you have them misidentified. Even if you think I'm one of them.
=)</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>And with that being said, I hope you can ease up a
little and realize that we're not picking on you, in any way, but we
disagree.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>-Mike</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=fhhuber@clearwire.net href="mailto:fhhuber@clearwire.net">Fred
Huber</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, January 08, 2007 4:29
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [NSRCA-discussion] The real
rason Pattern flyers are seen asElitists...</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>When someone who actually does start trying to fly Sportsman
tries to give input on how to attract more people to Sportsman... the Elitist
snobs who are flying Maters would rather nitpick on technicalities than listen
to the real issue the relative beginner to the sport is trying to
address.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>You ARE Elitists... </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>"Your plane must not be good enough... get a better one" IS
NOT the correct response to a beginner to Sportsman saying the new sequence
requires more performance than the old sequence.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>You want to attract people... you are certainly doing the
EXACT wrong thing. And when its pointed out... you attack the messenger
for telling you about it.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>I'm about ready to scrape the NSRCA logos off my
model... </FONT></DIV>
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