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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Rex,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I applaud you for that!!! That is exactly how
I got my El Nino, for an awesome price, and it flies better than any plane
I've ever owned. This year I'll be flying Archie Stafford's old Mantis,
which will then be the best flying plane I've ever owned. When I no longer
need the El Nino for a backup, I will be selling it, turnkey, to a newbie for a
rediculoulsy low price, to help him or her just as I was helped.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Now this is a discussion to help expand
Pattern.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Ken</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=trexlesh@msn.com href="mailto:trexlesh@msn.com">Rex LESHER</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, January 05, 2007 12:01
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Small
Models ... goodforthefutureofthePattern Event?</DIV>
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<DIV>Finally!!!! With all the talk about smaller models, someone says it
like it is.... Restrictions cause problems with
compliance.... Creativity</DIV>
<DIV>becomes very technological.... You want to make it easy for
beginners to get there feet wet? Keep doing what we are already
doing...</DIV>
<DIV>Sportsman can fly any AMA legal airplane, and Sportsman fly for
free.... That's the best, cheapest way there is!!!!! Whenever I
retire a 2 meter, </DIV>
<DIV>I sell it to a flyer in one of the lower classes for a rediculously low
price, or give it to them....</DIV>
<DIV>Besides, I sort of like my 2 meters.... I want more of
them!!!!</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Rex</DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>From:</B> <A
title=mailto:fhhuber@clearwire.net href="mailto:fhhuber@clearwire.net">Fred
Huber</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, January 04, 2007 9:43
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Small
Models ... good forthefutureofthePattern Event?</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>There's a check-in logistics nightmare for the
CD's....<BR><BR>As is, we aren't having to be very picky about checking the
planes being <BR>flown at local Pattern events. (partly because we
have a lot of honest <BR>competitors... Partly because its so easy to catch
an oversize/overweight <BR>2-meter plane)<BR><BR>We don't have to check
engine displacements... or see what fuel is being <BR>used by who... we
don't have to come up with some formula to figure out when <BR>an E-power
plane has too much power to be allowed in Sportsman.... (What <BR>wattage
motor REALLY equals a .60 2 stroke for flight
performance?)<BR><BR>Tower/Hobbico just annonced a brushless electric RTF
package deal TRAINER <BR>thats as big as a Kadet LT.... We WILL be
dealing with E-Power beginners, <BR>and E-power in Sportsman more and
more.<BR><BR>Any change you make to the size and weight limits is going to
create mor <BR>problems than will be solved.<BR><BR>Adding a power limit is
a step backward, not forward. The Geni is out of <BR>the bottle
regarding power... you can't stuff that one back.<BR><BR><BR>----- Original
Message ----- <BR>From: "Adrien L Terrenoire" <<A
title=mailto:amad2terry@juno.com
href="mailto:amad2terry@juno.com">amad2terry@juno.com</A>><BR>To: <<A
title=mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>><BR>Cc:
<<A title=mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>><BR>Sent:
Thursday, January 04, 2007 7:05 PM<BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Small
Models ... good for <BR>thefutureofthePattern Event?<BR><BR><BR>> How
about a graduated increase in size??<BR>> All Sportsmen entrys must be
.60, or less. .90 four stroke, with maybe a<BR>> weigh limit of 9
lb.<BR>> Intermediate can use up to 1.20 4 stroke, or maybe a .90 2
stroke. 10 lb<BR>> limit?<BR>> In advance, let it open up.<BR>>
Some logic:<BR>> Smaller, less costly planes in lower classes. The
Sportsman planes can be<BR>> used in Intermediate, and can be competitive
for the first year or 2. A<BR>> loarger plane can be built that wil take
them into the Advance class for<BR>> a year or so. Then the committment
can be made to go "big time". All done<BR>> on a gradual basis.
Electronicss could be moved from plane to plane. If<BR>> built light
enough, the Int plane at 10 lb with a 1.20 could have a 1.40<BR>> dropped
in for the move to Adv.<BR>><BR>> Terry T.<BR>><BR>> On Thu, 4
Jan 2007 15:32:34 -0500 "Ed Miller" <<A title=mailto:edbon85@charter.net
href="mailto:edbon85@charter.net">edbon85@charter.net</A>><BR>>
writes:<BR>>> I think the fact there are a slew of 60 to 90 sized
pattern arfs<BR>>> readily<BR>>> available at a sub $300 price
tag will motivate newbies more than<BR>>> the<BR>>> cumbersome
size issue. If or when a newbie gets hooked, the size<BR>>>
issue, or<BR>>> lack there of, then is an added benefit. Problem
is and we've all<BR>>> been<BR>>> there is the question "what do
I need to compete with". There you<BR>>> stand<BR>>>
touting all the good 60 to 90 size planes out there while trying
to<BR>>> hide<BR>>> your guppy 2M plane of the
week............<BR>>> Ed M.<BR>>> ----- Original Message -----
<BR>>> From: "Dean Pappas" <<A title=mailto:d.pappas@kodeos.com
href="mailto:d.pappas@kodeos.com">d.pappas@kodeos.com</A>><BR>>>
To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <<A
title=mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>><BR>>>
Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 2:21 PM<BR>>> Subject: Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Small Models ... good for the<BR>>>
futureofthePattern Event?<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> > Thanks
Jay,<BR>>> > That's why I posted to the list. Between the whole lot
of us, we<BR>>> can get<BR>>> > some coverage.<BR>>>
> Maybe it begs the issue of how to find newbies in the first
place<BR>>> ( silly<BR>>> > grin ) but you might start at the
regular club meeting/field.<BR>>> > Aren't there guys who watch and
comment on your Pattern stuff, but<BR>>> don't<BR>>> > get
into the event, in your local club?<BR>>> > Ask them if they think
the entry barrier would change for them or<BR>>> someone<BR>>>
> like them. They may be closer to that prospective newbie than
you<BR>>> are.<BR>>> > They may come back and say that the
practice discipline is why<BR>>> they will<BR>>> > never do
it,<BR>>> > and others may come back and say, "Wow smaller/cheaper
planes that<BR>>> fit in<BR>>> > my car and my apartmenmt
workshop! I'm in!"<BR>>> > I doubt you'll get such clear feedback,
but you might get<BR>>> something.<BR>>> > later,<BR>>>
> Dean<BR>>> ><BR>>> ><BR>>> > Dean
Pappas<BR>>> > Sr. Design Engineer<BR>>> > Kodeos
Communications<BR>>> > 111 Corporate Blvd.<BR>>> > South
Plainfield, N.J. 07080<BR>>> > (908) 222-7817 phone<BR>>>
> (908) 222-2392 fax<BR>>> > <A title=mailto:d.pappas@kodeos.com
href="mailto:d.pappas@kodeos.com">d.pappas@kodeos.com</A><BR>>>
><BR>>> ><BR>>> > -----Original
Message-----<BR>>> > From: <A
title=mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A><BR>>>
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of
Jay<BR>>> > Marshall<BR>>> > Sent: Thursday, January 04,
2007 1:58 PM<BR>>> > To: 'NSRCA Mailing List'<BR>>> >
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Small Models ... good for the<BR>>>
future<BR>>> > ofthePattern Event?<BR>>> ><BR>>>
><BR>>> > Dean, you bring up a very good point. Most of us are
seeped in the<BR>>> 2m<BR>>> > venue.<BR>>> > We
should really be talking to prospective new flyers. How do we<BR>>> do
that?<BR>>> ><BR>>> > -----Original
Message-----<BR>>> > From: <A
title=mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A><BR>>>
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf
Of<BR>>> Dean Pappas<BR>>> > Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007
1:09 PM<BR>>> > To: NSRCA Mailing List<BR>>> > Subject:
Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Small Models ... good for the<BR>>> future
of<BR>>> > thePattern Event?<BR>>> ><BR>>> > Hi
Anthony,<BR>>> > Hi All,<BR>>> > Forget the
implementational details for now. Stop trying to<BR>>> Engineer
it,<BR>>> > we<BR>>> > are doing Marketting.<BR>>>
> If it helps to get in the right frame of mind, take a few
stiff<BR>>> drinks and<BR>>> > bang your head on the
workbench about ten times.<BR>>> > If we decide that it's
worthwhile, then there are a zillion ways<BR>>> to make<BR>>>
> the<BR>>> > transition and to also grandfather existing planes
for several<BR>>> years.<BR>>> > That's not the issue, at
least not for now.<BR>>> ><BR>>> > Changing the shape of
the event: just for "something to do" would<BR>>> be an<BR>>>
> awful waste of energy and needless turmoil.<BR>>> > We all
dislike wasted energy, and I hope that we all agree that<BR>>>
needless<BR>>> > turmoil is to be avoided.<BR>>> > I
really want to focus on the basic question. Will making Pattern<BR>>>
ships<BR>>> > smaller lead to increased future participation in the
event?<BR>>> > If the answer isn't YES, then the grief probably
ain't worth it.<BR>>> ><BR>>> > So far, I am hearing a
mixed bag, and a whole lot of talk about<BR>>> the<BR>>> >
compromises we have all made when buying a vehicle.<BR>>> > I am
there with you. (stow 'n go Grand caravan ... love it)<BR>>> > But
the choir is already saved, and you all already fly Pattern.<BR>>>
> Please go pester the newbies and the folks that you think
are<BR>>> potential<BR>>> > Pattern newbies.<BR>>> >
Will this make a difference as to whether they take the plunge?<BR>>>
> Maybe the answer is that future participation won't be
improved.<BR>>> ><BR>>> > After we figure out whether
future participation will or will not<BR>>> be<BR>>> >
helped,<BR>>> > then we can figure out what those of us already in
the event would<BR>>> like.<BR>>> > That is an entirely
separate question.<BR>>> ><BR>>> > thanks for the
help,<BR>>> > Dean<BR>>> ><BR>>> ><BR>>>
><BR>>> > Dean Pappas<BR>>> > Sr. Design
Engineer<BR>>> > Kodeos Communications<BR>>> > 111
Corporate Blvd.<BR>>> > South Plainfield, N.J. 07080<BR>>>
> (908) 222-7817 phone<BR>>> > (908) 222-2392 fax<BR>>>
> <A title=mailto:d.pappas@kodeos.com
href="mailto:d.pappas@kodeos.com">d.pappas@kodeos.com</A><BR>>>
><BR>>> ><BR>>> > -----Original
Message-----<BR>>> > From: <A
title=mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A><BR>>>
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf
Of<BR>>> Anthony<BR>>> > Romano<BR>>> > Sent:
Thursday, January 04, 2007 11:31 AM<BR>>> > To: <A
title=mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A><BR>>>
> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Small Models bonus!?<BR>>>
><BR>>> ><BR>>> > Ok I will try it again. What about a
10 % score bonus for a 1.7m<BR>>> model?<BR>>> >
1.5m<BR>>> ><BR>>> > 20%? Encourage the newbie or the guy
on a budget and take away the<BR>>><BR>>> >
perceived<BR>>> ><BR>>> > advantage without causing
obsolescence on current equipment.<BR>>> > Remember the biplane
bonus at the TOC? Wasn't there a size bonus<BR>>> as well<BR>>>
> waaayyy back?<BR>>> ><BR>>> > Maybe it needs to be
limited to sportsman or intermediate maybe<BR>>> not.<BR>>>
><BR>>> > Anthony<BR>>> ><BR>>> ><BR>>>
>>From: "Ed Miller" <<A title=mailto:edbon85@charter.net
href="mailto:edbon85@charter.net">edbon85@charter.net</A>><BR>>>
>>Reply-To: NSRCA Mailing List <<A
title=mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>><BR>>>
>>To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <<A
title=mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>><BR>>>
>>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Smaller Models<BR>>>
>>Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 08:12:11 -0500<BR>>>
>><BR>>> >>Yes, that is known as the BPA, Ballistic
Pattern Association. So<BR>>> soon<BR>>>
>>there<BR>>> >>will be 3 pattern venues to split the
already dwindling pattern<BR>>> base :).<BR>>> >>Ed
M.<BR>>> >>----- Original Message -----<BR>>>
>>From: "Earl Haury" <<A title=mailto:ehaury@houston.rr.com
href="mailto:ehaury@houston.rr.com">ehaury@houston.rr.com</A>><BR>>>
>>To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <<A
title=mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>><BR>>>
>>Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 6:40 AM<BR>>>
>>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Smaller Models<BR>>>
>><BR>>> >><BR>>> >>Interesting indeed - a
local club is considering holding a "ole<BR>>> fashion"<BR>>>
>>pattern contest this fall. The plan is to fly
pre-turnaround<BR>>> pattern. Not<BR>>> >>sure exactly
what the rules will be - but not SPA, as the intent<BR>>> is
to<BR>>> >>allow<BR>>> >>'70's - '80's airplanes
with piped engines & retracts (one member<BR>>><BR>>>
>>mentioned<BR>>> >>a Brushfire with piped Jett
90).<BR>>> >><BR>>> >>I'm very comfortable with
pattern as it is - however, there is a<BR>>> gap<BR>>>
>>between<BR>>> >>current pattern and SPA that many seem
interested in.<BR>>> >><BR>>> >>Earl<BR>>>
>> ----- Original Message -----<BR>>>
>> From: Koenig, Tom<BR>>> >> To:
NSRCA Mailing List<BR>>> >> Sent: Wednesday, January
03, 2007 7:16 PM<BR>>> >> Subject: Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Smaller Models<BR>>> >><BR>>>
>><BR>>> >> Guys-there are many of us that
reminisce about the 'simpler'<BR>>> days of<BR>>> >>
the<BR>>> >>60 size models, even down here!<BR>>>
>><BR>>> >> I mentioned recently to some
locals that I may hold a comp<BR>>> similar to<BR>>>
>>your<BR>>> >>SPA stuff. I considered just allowing 60
size models as a max,<BR>>> never mind<BR>>> >>all the
vintage rules etc.....I was SWAMPED with interest. There<BR>>> were
all<BR>>> >>sorts of ex pattern pilots ready to show up. I think
I'd have had<BR>>> 40 -50<BR>>> sible entries!!!<BR>>>
>><BR>>> >> Not trying to stir things up-but
it is interesting<BR>>> nonetheless.<BR>>> >><BR>>>
>> Tom<BR>>> >><BR>>>
>> -----Original Message-----<BR>>>
>> From: <A
title=mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A><BR>>>
>>[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of
Ron<BR>>> Lockhart<BR>>> >> Sent:
Thursday, 4 January 2007 11:31 AM<BR>>>
>> To: NSRCA Mailing List<BR>>>
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Smaller
Models<BR>>> >><BR>>> >><BR>>>
>> Yea, smaller has a number of
advantages.<BR>>> >> A reduction
in money, time, hassle factor, etc., of models<BR>>> is a<BR>>>
>>thought<BR>>> >>toward increased
participation.<BR>>> >> (Yea, I know the
established pilots, and new pilots, are<BR>>> allowed to<BR>>>
>>fly<BR>>> >>smaller models right now. But we have
a<BR>>> >> lot of history that
shows Dean's comment "Given that<BR>>> everyone will<BR>>>
>>build or buy up to the maximum size limit" is true.<BR>>>
>> How does that Dixie thing
go?....<G><BR>>> >><BR>>>
>> Ron Lockhart<BR>>>
>><BR>>> >> -----
Original Message -----<BR>>>
>> From: Dean Pappas<BR>>>
>> To: NSRCA Mailing
List<BR>>> >> Sent:
Wednesday, January 03, 2007 4:51 PM<BR>>>
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Header Brace<BR>>> >><BR>>> >><BR>>>
>> Hi John,<BR>>>
>> A year or so ago, I puit
together an Excelleron 90 for a<BR>>> review and<BR>>>
>>eventual sale to a newbie.<BR>>>
>> Boy! Was it nice to drop a
plane into the minivan in one<BR>>> piece!<BR>>>
>> It was almost as good as when a
Phoenix 8 would fit into<BR>>> the back<BR>>> >>
of<BR>>> ><BR>>> >>a<BR>>> >>hatchback
Camaro in one piece.<BR>>> >><BR>>>
>> Given that everyone will build
or buy up to the maximum<BR>>> size limit,<BR>>>
>> is there a good enough reason
to push on the rules bodies<BR>>> to<BR>>>
>>legislate<BR>>> >>Pattern plane sizes back
down?<BR>>> >> How about 1.6
or 1.7 meters square?<BR>>>
>> Will this affect cost and
complexity enough to have a<BR>>> beneficial<BR>>>
>>effect on participation?<BR>>>
>> Or am I just whistling
Dixie?<BR>>> >><BR>>>
>> later,<BR>>>
>> Dean<BR>>>
>> Dean Pappas<BR>>>
>> Sr. Design Engineer<BR>>>
>> Kodeos
Communications<BR>>> >> 111
Corporate Blvd.<BR>>> >>
South Plainfield, N.J. 07080<BR>>>
>> (908) 222-7817
phone<BR>>> >> (908)
222-2392 fax<BR>>> >> <A
title=mailto:d.pappas@kodeos.com
href="mailto:d.pappas@kodeos.com">d.pappas@kodeos.com</A><BR>>>
>><BR>>>
>> -----Original
Message-----<BR>>>
>> From: <A
title=mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A><BR>>>
>>[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of
John<BR>>> Ferrell<BR>>>
>> Sent: Wednesday,
January 03, 2007 3:07 PM<BR>>>
>> To: NSRCA Mailing
List<BR>>> >>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Header Brace<BR>>>
>><BR>>> >><BR>>>
>> There seems to be a
growing trend toward smaller<BR>>> airplanes among<BR>>>
>> a<BR>>> >>lot of folks. I sure am enjoying the 90 size
Boxer I bought from<BR>>> Ed Miller<BR>>> >>last summer.
Less hassle to transport, assemble and fly. That<BR>>> means I
can<BR>>> >>fly more!<BR>>> >><BR>>>
>> John
Ferrell W8CCW<BR>>>
>> "My Competition is
not my enemy"<BR>>>
>> <A
title=http://dixienc.us/
href="http://DixieNC.US">http://DixieNC.US</A><BR>>>
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