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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Hi Don, All,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Nice email and information below. It
is very difficult to cultivate a person from beginner-to-aerobatic flier, then
to a fully invested status such that they will go to contests practice, and have
the commitment to drive to farther away contests. There are only so many
people in the R/C arena that are leaning towards disciplined aerobatics, better
equipment, invest the time to learn to set it up correctly, practice, and then
drive to contests. My own opinion in 1000 words is simply that IMAC and
Pattern require the same type of person – we are each others target
audience. After competing in IMAC in 2006 in the south east and
developing some good relationships and practice with some folks, there are at
least 2 serious guys and a couple in the wings who are going to “cross-over”
and fly pattern in our area too. Cross-training between IMAC and pattern
is hugely beneficial for those that will dare it. I know from many
conversations with the well-seasoned IMAC flyers in our area that after seeing
me compete for 1 season, that they recognize that the pattern provides all the
foundational elements and fundamentals that IMAC doesn’t focus on.
Flying IMAC provides the “stick-gymnastics” that the pattern
sequences miss. Plus, putting together a pattern plane these days
compared to a 40%er is a relief to them. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>However, it is not enough to fly just a
pattern plane or just an IMAC plane for the cross-over benefit. The real
difficulty and benefit in pattern flying is only achieved when you apply the
full rule set like: Box requirements, centering/positioning, etc.
Once you “practice” the pattern sequences with a pattern plane the discipline
becomes 100% more challenging than from watching from behind the flight
line. If you only fly the pattern plane you’d be left to say “…that
plane flies good,” … but you have no real exposure to the discipline.
Likewise with IMAC. The real benefit to me is practicing the IMAC
sequence with an IMAC plane. Learning how to snap roll and perform
opposite point rolls on uplines, downlines, 45, inverted, upright, left and
right, is the “bread-n-butter” of the game. Each maneuver is loaded
up in complexity and the penalty is a bit more severe if you miss your wings on
roll or snap exits. …. He who can combine the pattern fundamental stuff
within the IMAC set, and “smartly” positions the maneuvers (…
IMAC currently does not have designated positions for each and EVERY maneuver)
is going to do very well in any class. While it is easy to make the
correlation that “pattern flyers do well in IMAC/Masters – just look
at the Invitational level meets and see the top guys,” it mostly falls
apart at the local level because there are some VERY good IMAC guys who have
never flown pattern. The local IMAC guys have their own hero’s to
look up to, and sort of see that pattern fliers to well at the Invitational
events as either an anomaly, strictly dependant on there huge personal talent,
or due to some judging scenario. However, when average guys enter their
contests and fly well, it brings it a little more home regarding the benefits
of doing both. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Anyway – cross training is great and
it makes sense in any other sport. In my area it allows for more contest
attendance, and also gets some others to come to try pattern. I don’t
mind another $10 to help the NSRCA.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Jim W. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
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nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>AtwoodDon@aol.com<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, December 25, 2006
4:50 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b>
nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
NSRCA Dues Increase</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Ron, I agree....<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Having served a term as VP for District
7 and participating in the 'management' of the NSRCA, I can
assure you the NSRCA Officers and others that help are very focused on
expenses, promoting of the NSRCA and most importantly supporting and
promoting pattern activities. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>For those that think there may be
a one time fix for promoting pattern or swelling the ranks of NSRCA
membership, I would guess you do not understand the overall situation. In
the not so distant past, Pattern was a glamour 'niche' RC activity. If
you flew pattern, then you were the elite flyers in the club or area
and known for flying and building skills. That glamour image
has been significantly diluted over the past years with the development of
helicopters, free style type flying, etc. We are pretty sedate compared
to some of the newer groups so we are no longer the 'glamour' guys at the
field. There are many other types of challenging flying to attract people
from the newcomers ranks.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>To me, the challenge of
maintaining our sport is a day to day, week to week, personal challenge
that we all have in supporting, teaching and generally being good RC
citizens. We just happen to fly pattern at our local clubs. I don't
think there is a magic pill or one time fix for our challenges, but a
continued, constant, steady push to gain new members and more importantly to
keep the ones we have.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Over the years, the Kfactor has been our
single largest reason to join the NSRCA and it has spread/shared an incredible
amount of knowledge, tricks, tips, etc. If you have ever had the
'opportunity' to write an article each month for the Kfactor as each of our
officers does, then you know how hard it is to gather interesting tips,
building articles or news worthy items to include in the Kfactor. And if
you haven't shared your personal tips or tricks, please do so with your VP to
help make their life easier!!!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>How we deliver that information can
probably be changed for most via the internet, however, without good
content, delivery methods are kind of beside the point. If we want the
NSRCA and Kfactor (or some other delivery vehicle) to be better, it is up to us
as individual members to pitch in and help, share and promote, more so than our
officers. Sure, they represent us to coordinate, steer, etc, but our
presence at the field on a week to week basis, helping someone trim an
airplane, fix an engine, building tips, etc, goes much further to attract
members than advertising campaigns, or tricky slogans.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Here in District 7, we are blessed with a
large geographic area with lots of contests. For most of us in D7, it is
easy to go to 8-10 contests a year without terrible driving challenges.
We have enjoyed a gradual increase in our membership, contest attendance (with
a burp here and there) and newcomer interest. That is because we spend
time personally encouraging people to participate, not because we have flashy
slogans, banners, etc. It has been a slow but steady process that takes
time to see an impact but I think we have been pretty successful at it. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Sorry for the long winded email....
flame suit on.. <img width=19 height=19 id="_x0000_i1025"
src="http://cdn-cf.aol.com/se/smi/0201d20638/08"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Happy Holidays<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Don Atwood<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> In a message dated
12/25/2006 9:26:49 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, ronlock@comcast.net writes:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Here is one way to look at it.........To
a large degree, the product is us.<br>
Were a membership community, having characteristics of a technical society,<br>
a social club, and much more.<br>
The "management" of NSRCA and the K Factor is partly a product those
in our<br>
membership that choose<br>
to run for an office, and then volunteer time and resources for the<br>
betterment of pattern.<br>
<br>
Later, Ron Lockhart, NSRCA 321<br>
(Renewed on line, worked fine)<br>
<br>
----- Original Message ----- <br>
From: "<st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Wayne</st1:place></st1:City>"
<Whinkle1024@msn.com><br>
To: "<st1:PersonName w:st="on">NSRCA Mailing List</st1:PersonName>"
<nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br>
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2006 11:54 PM<br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] NSRCA Dues Increase<br>
<br>
<br>
> Ok guys I guess I'm the only one not willing to renew because the product<br>
is<br>
> poor. By the way my dues last year were only $30 not $15,000. 500 members<br>
at<br>
> $10 increase each is only $5k and merely a Band-Aid on the issue.<br>
><br>
> The advertising $ is not there because our great quality color publication<br>
> doesn't go to enough people to make the advertising as worthy. I think we<br>
> need some drastic changes to the way we do business.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> ----- Original Message ----- <br>
> From: "Mike Hester" <kerlock@comcast.net><br>
> To: "<st1:PersonName w:st="on">NSRCA Mailing List</st1:PersonName>"
<nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br>
> Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2006 8:11 PM<br>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] NSRCA Dues Increase<br>
><br>
><br>
> > Ummm..........Merry Christmas.........I'm going to swallow the
freakin<br>
> > blood<br>
> > from biting my tongue clean in half and I'll get back to this one
after<br>
> > Christmas is over. Not trying to be adversarial, but wow, I'll get
into<br>
> > that<br>
> > after we have a nice holiday.<br>
> ><br>
> > Merry Christmas, and hold that thought....but if you don't see
anything<br>
> > going on to promote pattern, I wonder where you're looking.<br>
> ><br>
> > -Mike<br>
> ><br>
> > ----- Original Message ----- <br>
> > From: "<st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Wayne</st1:place></st1:City>"
<Whinkle1024@msn.com><br>
> > To: "<st1:PersonName w:st="on">NSRCA Mailing List</st1:PersonName>"
<nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br>
> > Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2006 9:16 PM<br>
> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] NSRCA Dues Increase<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> >> Don't worry Paul it wasn't announced in the KF either!<br>
> >><br>
> >> So you didn't miss anything.<br>
> >><br>
> >> I understand the need for increased dues. I also understand the
need<br>
for<br>
> >> the<br>
> >> NSRCA to give us something in return for our support. Today I
don't see<br>
> >> much<br>
> >> going on to PROMOTE pattern. While I wish to support pattern and<br>
promote<br>
> >> it<br>
> >> I will take my $40 and spend it on attendance at an event rather
than<br>
the<br>
> >> NSRCA.<br>
> >><br>
> >> Sorry but poor management of more of our funds are not going to
get it<br>
> >> done.<br>
> >> 2 years ago when folks asked questions of Derek and Lamar the
bank<br>
> >> account<br>
> >> was sitting on a surplus of about $12,000 or so. If I remember
the<br>
> >> numbers<br>
> >> correctly. I'm going to go find the old KF that had this number
in it.<br>
> >> Rusty<br>
> >> Dose tells us last month that we are down over $15,000 is dues
and<br>
> >> advertising revenue. Looks to me like this has been a sinking
ship for<br>
> >> some<br>
> >> time. The very fact that I received a renewal notice with the $40
price<br>
> >> tag<br>
> >> on it a full week before we heard about it from the board is
another<br>
sign<br>
> >> of<br>
> >> mismanagement. A 30% increase in dues just because there has not
been a<br>
> >> increase in many years is not the solution to our problems. Where
is<br>
the<br>
> >> 30%<br>
> >> increase going to help support precision aerobatics.<br>
> >><br>
> >> I think that with all products and services in the market place
today<br>
the<br>
> >> NSRCA needs to show some value to the modelers out there. If this<br>
happens<br>
> >> then membership will grow. Revenue will increase. And Pattern
flying<br>
will<br>
> >> prosper. I feel that I and other vote with our pocket books. The
reason<br>
> >> advertising dollars are down, the reason dues dollars are down is
due<br>
> >> directly to the product supplied.<br>
> >><br>
> >> Perhaps the NSRCA leadership is listening but instead we talk
about<br>
what<br>
> >> a<br>
> >> great job has been done and how far we have come. I'm not into
bashing<br>
> >> the<br>
> >> guy that just left but Derek we have seen nothing about how to
get us<br>
out<br>
> >> of<br>
> >> this pickle we are in. Therefore I elect not to renew at this
time. I<br>
> >> think<br>
> >> there are better places to spend our money to support Precision<br>
> >> Aerobatics.<br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >> <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Wayne</st1:place></st1:City><br>
> >> ----- Original Message ----- <br>
> >> From: "Paul Brine" <pbrine@uoguelph.ca><br>
> >> To: "<st1:PersonName w:st="on">NSRCA Mailing List</st1:PersonName>"
<nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br>
> >> Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2006 3:19 PM<br>
> >> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] NSRCA Dues Increase<br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >>> It also wasn't announced to the membership until Dec 22nd via
Lamar's<br>
> >>> email.<br>
> >>> Remember not everyone (ie myself ) is in a position to
download and<br>
read<br>
> >>> the<br>
> >>> k-factor on-line.<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> Applying the increase to those who renewed before then is
like you<br>
> >>> signing<br>
> >>> on the line to buy a car and being told a week later by the
dealer<br>
that<br>
> >>> the<br>
> >>> price went up a $1000.<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> Paul<br>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----<br>
> >>> From: Martin X. Moleski, SJ <moleski@canisius.edu><br>
> >>> To: <st1:PersonName w:st="on">NSRCA Mailing List</st1:PersonName>
<nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br>
> >>> Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2006 1:07 PM<br>
> >>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] NSRCA Dues Increase<br>
> >>><br>
> >>><br>
> >>>> Anthony Abdullah wrote:<br>
> >>>><br>
> >>>> > Silly quesion:<br>
> >>>><br>
> >>>> > After a long pattern lay off for grad school and
such I am<br>
returning<br>
> >>>> > in<br>
> >>>> > full force. Part of that included renewing my NSRCA
membership.<br>
When<br>
> >>>> > I<br>
> >>>> > downloaded and printed the form from the NSRCA website
the dues was<br>
> >>>> > listed as $30.00 and that is how much the check was
written for<br>
(just<br>
> >>>> > two days ago). Do I need to send an additional check
for $10.00 or<br>
is<br>
> >>>> > the price increse effective Jan 1?<br>
> >>>><br>
> >>>> There was a missed communication between Lamar and myself
early in<br>
> >>>> December, so I didn't hear about the change in dues until
two or<br>
> >>>> three days ago.<br>
> >>>><br>
> >>>> The law is probably on your side, if you want to take the
time<br>
> >>>> to take it to court.<br>
> >>>><br>
> >>>> It would be a huge kindness to simply send along another
$10 check.<br>
> >>>><br>
> >>>> I believe the forms have all been updated.<br>
> >>>><br>
> >>>> I'm hoping to work on the Paypal front end over this
vacation.<br>
> >>>> It hasn't been satisfactory for a couple of years ... my
bad.<br>
> >>>><br>
> >>>> Marty<br>
> >>>> _______________________________________________<br>
> >>>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list<br>
> >>>> NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<br>
> >>>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion<br>
> >>><br>
> >>><br>
> >>> _______________________________________________<br>
> >>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list<br>
> >>> NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<br>
> >>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion<br>
> >>><br>
> >><br>
> >> _______________________________________________<br>
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