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<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman">If the touchdown area is marked by lines, and
the runway has a center "dashed stripe" you can easilly estimate the distance
along that stripe. A solid stripe isn't as good of a distance
reference.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman">Not having looked closely at the landing
rule... if centering on the runway matters for score, (centering would
count to me for "Smooth&Graceful" especially when there is a
centerline on the runway) its pretty easy to judge 1/4 of the distance from
center stripe to edge.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman">Shouldn't be any need to measure anything that
isn't already marked on the runway to get good estimation of how far from the
landing zone the touchdown occurrred.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, December 12, 2006 10:51
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2007
Pattern Rules posted by AMA</DIV>
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<DIV>Jon</DIV>
<DIV>By the time you have your tape measure, to measure the touchdown point.
ready box 1,2,3 are waiting.It is a guess anyway of how far off the touchdown
is.</DIV>
<DIV>A split S half loop is always done immediately after the rolling
element with no pause.Pause it and you get downgrade.</DIV>
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<DIV>Jim Ivey</DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, December 12, 2006 11:21
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2007
Pattern Rules posted by AMA</DIV>
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<DIV>
<DIV>Hey, we ain't IMAC, re: snaps! And certainly not the Tucson
Shootout. I've never seen such exaggerated pitch breaks in my
life! 20 degree pitch breaks before any rotation. I think 5
points for AMA is severe, but doesn't kill you if you don't have a
break.</DIV>
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<DIV>As I read the landing rule, landing outside the zone is a
proportionate downgrade. If you land less than 1.5 meters outside the
zone (5% of the 30 meter zone), that is a 1/2 point downgrade, 3 meters or
less is 1 point, etc. You'd have to land 30 meters from the line to
get a zero just from this flaw. Do the rubber o-ring tires on MK
tailwheels count as a part? ;)</DIV>
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<DIV>I'm also reading that the 2 of 4 going into the split s
(intermediate sequence) requires you to pull immediately after reaching the
2nd point. This was the way I thought it should be, but some were
arguing that you had to hesitate after the 2nd point the same amount as you
did between the points, then pull.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Jon</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>In a message dated 12/12/2006 9:59:49 PM Central Standard Time,
jshulman@cfl.rr.com writes:</DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=450225603-13122006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=3>I guess we can't zero snaps for not having a pitch break...lol.
RCA-20, right side.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=3></FONT></SPAN><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=450225603-13122006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=3>And the landing zone is essentially a 30m box. But it is not a 0 if
you don't land in it, just a downgrade. But don't go knocking parts off of
it, or it'll become a 0. RCA-26</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<P><FONT face=Arial><FONT
size=2>Regards,<BR>Jason<BR>www.jasonshulman.com<BR>www.shulmanaviation.com<BR>www.composite-arf.com</FONT>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 PTSIZE="10">Jon Lowe<BR></FONT></DIV>
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