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<DIV><SPAN class=969090215-08122006>Hi Nat,</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=969090215-08122006>I'm using the Sullivann composite
tube-in-tube pushrods in a wooden fuselage model right now. The expansion
coefficients are far from mtched, though it is rather predictable. If it's
colder than last time I flew, I will need up trim and vice versa. The trim
change is a factor of 2 or 3 worse than if I had a fiberglass/carbon
pushrod in the plane, but tons better than an old Nyrod, and tons cheaper than
carbon fiber rods. My serious airplanes still get carbon rod
DEPs.</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=969090215-08122006>Dean. </SPAN></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<P><FONT face="Times New Roman">Dean Pappas</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman">Sr. Design Engineer</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman">Kodeos Communications</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman">111 Corporate Blvd.</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman">South Plainfield, N.J. 07080</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman">(908) 222-7817 phone</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman">(908) 222-2392 fax</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman">d.pappas@kodeos.com</FONT> </P>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT
face=Tahoma>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Ed
Alt<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, December 08, 2006 1:12 AM<BR><B>To:</B> NSRCA
Mailing List<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Trim
changes<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV>Nat:</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>It starts on this page: <A
title=http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_3637235/mpage_4/key_prestige/tmhtm
href="http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_3637235/mpage_4/key_prestige/tmhtm">http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_3637235/mpage_4/key_prestige/tm.htm</A></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Yes, it's the Sullivan composite version for the inner pushrod.
Actually, the Prestige is nearly all wood. It's a balsa composite shell
with thin FG layer on the inside, pressed into balsa and then coated with
whatever they create the finish with.</DIV>
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<DIV>Ed</DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=mailto:natpenton@centurytel.net
href="mailto:natpenton@centurytel.net">Nat Penton</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, December 07, 2006 9:36
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Trim
changes</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Ed</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>I'm having trouble finding the Prestige thread. Can
you help me out ?? Are you using the Sullivan composite inner
pushrod ? Would they be of any benefit in a wood fuse
?
Nat</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=mailto:ed_alt@hotmail.com href="mailto:ed_alt@hotmail.com">Ed
Alt</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, December 06, 2006
10:53 PM</DIV>
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changes</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>You might want to check out the Prestige thread under Pattern on
RCU. I adopted a pushrod method that Dave Lockhart has used for some
time and there are some pics and description there. I think Dave's
installation method is more highly evolved than what I patched together,
but I think what's shown in the thread is a reasonable facsimili.
When you first hear about using Nyrods, you will most likely be very
skeptical. I sure was. These are different though, since they
have the CF slider vs. the usual junk. There is some change with
temperature, but not nearly as much as I have experienced with other
methods. It's really light, really cheap and not too difficult to
install. It's also a very positive control feel.</DIV>
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<DIV>Ed</DIV>
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<A title=mailto:natpenton@centurytel.net
href="mailto:natpenton@centurytel.net">Nat Penton</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, December 06, 2006
11:27 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Trim changes</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Amir</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>All that fine weather is bad for relations
!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>I use Kevlar pull-pull on rudder, balsa fuse, and
with high humidity I am worried the servo will be uprooted. Need to
adjust atleast daily. Also use DEP on elev ( 20 years ) and have
trim changes sometimes hourly. I need to change
both.
Nat</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=mailto:amirneshati@earthlink.net
href="mailto:amirneshati@earthlink.net">Amir Neshati</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">'NSRCA Mailing
List'</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, December 06,
2006 2:21 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Trim changes</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=765441920-06122006><FONT
face=Arial>I thought it went like, "wood fuse, pull-pull, fiberglass
fuse, pull-pull, carbon fuse, pull-pull." Lightest set up
too.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=765441920-06122006><FONT
face=Arial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=765441920-06122006><FONT
face=Arial>65 degrees, sunny, calm, clear &
comfortable....</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=765441920-06122006><FONT
face=Arial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=765441920-06122006><FONT
face=Arial>Amir</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
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<FONT face=Tahoma><B>From:</B> <A
title=mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A>
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B>On Behalf Of
</B>Dean Pappas<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, December 06, 2006 11:25
AM<BR><B>To:</B> NSRCA Mailing List<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Trim changes<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=307322119-06122006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff>Hi
All,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=307322119-06122006><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>Back in the Stone Age (Ron remembers this) we always
said, "wood fuse, wood pushrod and fiberglass fuse, fiberglass
pushrod.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=307322119-06122006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff>As
long as the elevator trim is the only one that changes, then life is
simple especially with crossed digital trims.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=307322119-06122006><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>Putting the servos in the tail works, as does an MS-10
or Matchbox.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=307322119-06122006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff>So
does putting a 1:1 bellcrank halfway between the servo arm and the
elevator horn. That's a trick that nobody uses
anymore.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=307322119-06122006><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=307322119-06122006><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>Dean</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<P><FONT face="Times New Roman">Dean Pappas</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman">Sr. Design Engineer</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman">Kodeos Communications</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman">111 Corporate Blvd.</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman">South Plainfield, N.J. 07080</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman">(908) 222-7817 phone</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman">(908) 222-2392 fax</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman">d.pappas@kodeos.com</FONT> </P>
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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]<B>On Behalf Of
</B>Jay Marshall<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, December 06, 2006 2:06
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Some servo
electronics could be temp sensitive. Measure the elevator on a cold
morning then warm it up slowly with a heat gun (carefully) and see
if anything moves.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Brian
Billings<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B>
Wednesday, December 06, 2006 12:05 PM<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B>
nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> [NSRCA-discussion]
Trim changes</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I have been
dealing with elevator trim changes on my D.E.P.S. installation which
has been worse with cold mornings and warm afternoons. Last night on
the way home from the field I got the idea of figuring out a way to
take the pot out of the servo and mounting it on the control
surface, that way the surface will always go to it’s set position
regardless of how much the fuse has expanded or contracted. Anybody
ever try this, I know it could be done but is it practical? My worry
is vibration, sealing the pot from the elements, oil, keeping a
clean signal with the long leads to the rear and a positive
connection from pot to surface. Is this a dumb
Idea?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Brian
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