<HTML><BODY style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; "><BR><DIV><DIV>On Dec 6, 2006, at 8:53 AM, JShulman wrote:</DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"> <DIV><SPAN class="790245314-06122006"><FONT face="Arial" color="#0000ff">Yea... we are both getting old Dave...lol.</FONT></SPAN></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV>Rookies! I have some shoes older than you guys.</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Ron Van Putte<BR><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"> <BLOCKQUOTE dir="ltr" style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV class="OutlookMessageHeader" dir="ltr" align="left"><FONT face="Tahoma" size="2">-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org [<A href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A>]<B>On Behalf Of </B><A href="mailto:DaveL322@comcast.net">DaveL322@comcast.net</A><BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, December 06, 2006 9:34 AM<BR><B>To:</B> NSRCA Mailing List<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 1 1/2 snap technique<BR><BR></FONT></DIV> <DIV>You flew back in 85? You must be getting old!!!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I also flew Sportsman (402) at the 85 Nats, my first Nats. <G></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Dave</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">-------------- Original message -------------- <BR>From: "JShulman" <<A href="mailto:jshulman@cfl.rr.com">jshulman@cfl.rr.com</A>> <BR> <DIV><SPAN class="280231703-06122006"><FONT face="Arial" color="#0000ff">Only for the fact that I finished the contest and still had a plane (finished last I think). I would have continued in 401, but they didn't have it at the 85 Nats, so had to move up.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class="280231703-06122006"><FONT face="Arial" color="#0000ff"></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class="280231703-06122006"><FONT face="Arial" color="#0000ff">Anyway, make sure not to get stuck just trying one technique for doing a snap. Try all sorts of set-ups and inputs. You'll find one that works for you.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV> </DIV><P><FONT size="2">Regards,<BR>Jason<BR>www.jasonshulman.com<BR>www.shulmanaviation.com<BR>www.composite-arf.com</FONT> </P> <BLOCKQUOTE dir="ltr" style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV class="OutlookMessageHeader" dir="ltr" align="left"><FONT face="Tahoma" size="2">-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org [<A href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A>]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Ken Thompson<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, December 05, 2006 10:07 PM<BR><B>To:</B> NSRCA Mailing List<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 1 1/2 snap technique<BR><BR></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Arial" size="2">Guess that makes you pretty special...</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title="jshulman@cfl.rr.com" href="mailto:jshulman@cfl.rr.com">JShulman</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title="nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, December 05, 2006 8:38 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 1 1/2 snap technique</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class="910213602-06122006"><FONT face="Arial" color="#0000ff">401... the only time I flew 401 was when I was 7 years old (81 Jamesburg contest). And I don't think I was 2nd. You sure it wasn't 402?</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV> </DIV><P><FONT size="2">Regards,<BR>Jason<BR><A href="http://www.jasonshulman.com/">www.jasonshulman.com</A><BR><A href="http://www.shulmanaviation.com/">www.shulmanaviation.com</A><BR><A href="http://www.composite-arf.com/">www.composite-arf.com</A></FONT> </P> <BLOCKQUOTE dir="ltr" style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV class="OutlookMessageHeader" dir="ltr" align="left"><FONT face="Tahoma" size="2">-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> <A href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A> [<A href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A>]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Gray E Fowler<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, December 05, 2006 3:50 PM<BR><B>To:</B> NSRCA Mailing List<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 1 1/2 snap technique<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><BR><FONT face="sans-serif" size="2">Jason</FONT> <BR><BR><FONT face="sans-serif" size="2">Your lack of a halo can be tracked back to that 401 contest that you came in second against some "Old Guy"-probably 40 or so.</FONT> <BR><FONT face="sans-serif" size="2"><BR><BR><BR>Gray Fowler<BR>Senior Principal Chemical Engineer<BR>Radome and Composites Engineering<BR>Raytheon</FONT> <BR><BR><BR> <TABLE width="100%"> <TBODY><TR valign="top"><TD width="40%"><FONT face="sans-serif" size="1"><B>"JShulman" <<A href="mailto:jshulman@cfl.rr.com">jshulman@cfl.rr.com</A>></B> </FONT><BR><FONT face="sans-serif" size="1">Sent by: <A href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A></FONT><P><FONT face="sans-serif" size="1">12/05/2006 02:29 PM</FONT> <TABLE border="1"> <TBODY><TR valign="top"><TD bgcolor="white"> <DIV align="center"><FONT face="sans-serif" size="1">Please respond to<BR>NSRCA Mailing List <<A href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>></FONT></DIV></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><BR></P> </TD><TD width="59%"> <TABLE width="100%"> <TBODY><TR valign="top"><TD> <DIV align="right"><FONT face="sans-serif" size="1">To</FONT></DIV> </TD><TD><FONT face="sans-serif" size="1">"NSRCA Mailing List" <<A href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>></FONT> </TD></TR><TR valign="top"><TD> <DIV align="right"><FONT face="sans-serif" size="1">cc</FONT></DIV> </TD><TD> </TD></TR><TR valign="top"><TD> <DIV align="right"><FONT face="sans-serif" size="1">Subject</FONT></DIV> </TD><TD><FONT face="sans-serif" size="1">Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 1 1/2 snap technique</FONT></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><BR> <TABLE> <TBODY><TR valign="top"><TD> </TD><TD></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><BR></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><BR><BR><BR><FONT face="Arial" color="blue" size="3">No wonder why I can't roll my snaps and score...</FONT> <BR><FONT size="3"> </FONT><P><FONT size="2">Regards,<BR>Jason<BR>www.jasonshulman.com<BR>www.shulmanaviation.com<BR>www.composite-arf.com</FONT><FONT size="3"> </FONT> </P><P><FONT face="Tahoma" size="2">-----Original Message-----<B><BR>From:</B> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org [<A href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A>]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Gray E Fowler<B><BR>Sent:</B> Tuesday, December 05, 2006 2:59 PM<B><BR>To:</B> NSRCA Mailing List<B><BR>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 1 1/2 snap technique<BR></FONT><BR><FONT face="sans-serif" size="2"><BR>Keith</FONT><FONT size="3"> <BR></FONT><FONT face="sans-serif" size="2"><BR>Proper execution, and thus good scoring of this manuever requires years of preparation. First you must win both 402 and 403 at the nationals hands down....no doubt about it, back to back then win Masters the followin year in the same manner. This creates the desired halo effect which will then allow you simply "roll" through this manuever without getting a zero.</FONT><FONT size="3"> </FONT><FONT face="sans-serif" size="2"><BR><BR><BR><BR>Gray Fowler<BR>Senior Principal Chemical Engineer<BR>Radome and Composites EngineeringRayt heon</FONT><FONT size="3"> <BR><BR></FONT> <TABLE width="100%"> <TBODY><TR valign="top"><TD width="46%"><FONT face="sans-serif" size="1"><B>"Keith Black" <<A href="mailto:tkeithblack@gmail.com">tkeithblack@gmail.com</A>></B> <BR>Sent by: <A href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A></FONT><FONT size="3"> </FONT> <P><FONT face="sans-serif" size="1">12/05/2006 01:48 PM</FONT><FONT size="3"> </FONT><BR> <TABLE width="100%" border="4"> <TBODY><TR valign="top"><TD width="100%" bgcolor="white"> <DIV align="center"><FONT face="sans-serif" size="1">Please respond to<BR>NSRCA Mailing List <<A href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>></FONT></DIV></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> </P><P></P> </TD><TD width="53%"><BR> <TABLE width="100%"> <TBODY><TR valign="top"><TD width="13%"> <DIV align="right"><FONT face="sans-serif" size="1">To</FONT></DIV> </TD><TD width="86%"><FONT face="sans-serif" size="1">"NSRCA Mailing List" <<A href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>></FONT><FONT size="3"> </FONT> </TD></TR><TR valign="top"><TD> <DIV align="right"><FONT face="sans-serif" size="1">cc</FONT></DIV> </TD><TD> </TD></TR><TR valign="top"><TD> <DIV align="right"><FONT face="sans-serif" size="1">Subject</FONT></DIV> </TD><TD><FONT face="sans-serif" size="1">[NSRCA-discussion] 1 1/2 snap technique</FONT></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><BR><BR> <TABLE width="100%"> <TBODY><TR valign="top"><TD width="49%"> </TD><TD width="50%"></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><BR></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><BR><FONT size="3"><BR><BR></FONT><FONT face="Arial" size="2"><BR>I've seen many discussions on single snaps (pull elevator first, follow with rudder and ailerons, and even some say reduce ailerons and elevator as rotations begins, etc., etc.), but I've never seen any discussion specifically regarding the 1 1/2 snap.</FONT><FONT size="3"> <BR> </FONT><FONT face="Arial" size="2"><BR>This year's Masters pattern has the 45 degree down 1 1/2 snap. I've gotten pretty good at both the inverted and upright 45 degree single snap but this 1 1/2 snap is a different animal in that the up elevator that initiates the snap will cause the nose to drop after the last 1/2 rotation if it's left in too long. I've not flown it too many times, but the few times I've tried it I played with pulling out the elevator and putting in a little down to try and hold the nose on at 45 degree angle.</FONT><FONT size="3"> <BR> </FONT><FONT face="Ar" size="2" ial="" !=""><BR>I'm curious to hear others thoughts on how to execute this 1 1/2 on the 45 degree downline and keep the 45 degree heading.</FONT><FONT size="3"> <BR> </FONT><FONT face="Arial" size="2"><BR>Thanks,</FONT><FONT size="3"> </FONT><FONT face="Arial" size="2"><BR>Keith Black</FONT><FONT size="3"> </FONT><FONT size="2"><TT>_______________________________________________<BR>NSRCA-discussion mailing list<BR><A href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A><BR>http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</TT></FONT><FONT size="3"> </FONT><FONT size="2"><TT>_______________________________________________<BR>NSRCA-discussion mailing list<BR><A href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A><BR>http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</TT></FONT> <BR></P></BLOCKQUOTE><DIV> <BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><HR><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV>_______________________________________________<BR>NSRCA-discussion mailing list<BR><A href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A><BR>http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">_______________________________________________</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">NSRCA-discussion mailing list</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><A href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><A href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</A></DIV> </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR></BODY></HTML>