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<DIV><SPAN class=062410118-05122006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Hi
Gang,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=062410118-05122006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>It's
interesting how we've been talking around the real question: we pretty much all
know how it is supposed to be judged,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=062410118-05122006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>but
now we are trying to figure out where the lowest common denominator
is,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=062410118-05122006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>so
that when the judge is tired, hot, dehydrated, ill-trained and is twenty minutes
overdue for e pee break,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=062410118-05122006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>we
won't force him to actually remember what the book says isn't really a
downgrade.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=062410118-05122006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=062410118-05122006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>The
answer is to water and feed your judges regularly. Don't plant them too
deep and they will grow ...</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=062410118-05122006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=062410118-05122006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I know
this is the obvious bit, but I had to say it.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=062410118-05122006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=062410118-05122006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Dean</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]<B>On Behalf Of
</B>DaveL322@comcast.net<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, December 05, 2006 12:24
PM<BR><B>To:</B> NSRCA Mailing List<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Where does center work out<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV>Yes, I expect the 1/2 rolls will be faster, but they do not have to be,
and whether the 1/2 rolls match the slow rolls or not is NOT a judging
criteria.</DIV>
<DIV><BR>Dave</DIV>
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Original message -------------- <BR>From: "Fred Huber"
<fhhuber@clearwire.net> <BR><BR>> the roll rate is EXPECTED to be
different between the 2/2 and the slow roll. <BR>> I think they stuck the
combo in to make sure pilots knew the difference <BR>> between a normal
axial roll rate and a slow roll rate. <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> My
observation... the ones who were getting good scores had the plane at
<BR>> appx 1/4 roll in the slow roll as they passed center. This varied
some <BR>> based on the difference in roll rates... so being ON Knife
edge at center is <BR>> not a requirement, just a ballpark indicator.
<BR>> Note: I haven't been judging Masters, just observing the judges and
the <BR>> pilots' performance at the local contest. So I am ASSUMING they
were <BR>> judging the maneuver correctly. <BR>> <BR>> I'm not sure
how long of a ! hesitat ion between the 1/2 rolls is allowed <BR>> before
it gets called inverted flight.... but a longer hesitation between <BR>>
potentially could put the pause between the 2/2 and the slow roll on center.
<BR>> (if a long enough hesitation is permissible) <BR>> <BR>>
----- Original Message ----- <BR>> From: "Ed Miller"
<EDBON85@CHARTER.NET><BR>> To: "NSRCA Mailing List"
<NSRCA-DISCUSSION@LISTS.NSRCA.ORG><BR>> Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006
7:50 AM <BR>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Where does center work out
<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> > Same here. To fit it all in the horizontal
segment, the 2 - 1/2 rolls are <BR>> > at a higher roll rate than the
slow roll and then the slow roll starts <BR>> > before center. If I
speed up the slow roll rate, it basically doesn't look <BR>> > like a
slow roll. I guess my question is, to get the best score, does the <BR>>
> roll rate have to remain constant throughout the maneuver ?? <BR>&!
gt; > ; Ed M. <BR>> > ----- Original Message ----- <BR>> >
From: "Ron Lockhart" <RONLOCK@COMCAST.NET><BR>> > To: "NSRCA Mailing
List" <NSRCA-DISCUSSION@LISTS.NSRCA.ORG><BR>> > Sent: Tuesday,
December 05, 2006 8:03 AM <BR>> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Where does center work out <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > I sure
don't have it figured out yet- But I'm working toward crisp 2/2 <BR>>
> and starting the slow roll a bit <BR>> > before center. Then,
working on a not toooo slow, slow roll. <BR>> > <BR>> > Later,
Ron <BR>> > <BR>> > ----- Original Message ----- <BR>> >
From: Stuart Chale <BR>> > To: 'NSRCA Mailing List' <BR>> >
Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 8:59 PM <BR>> > Subject: Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Maneuver 4 Masters pattern <BR>> > <BR>> >
<BR>> > At least that one has an obvious center and is a normal length
center <BR>> > maneuver. Who decided tha! t the o f two followed by a
slow roll should be <BR>> > done on center J I have yet to fit that in
the box J <BR>> > <BR>> > To those that have figured it out;
what part of the sequence is coming <BR>> > out <BR>> > on
center (besides the middle)? <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> >
<BR>> > Stuart <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> >
<BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> >
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<BR>> > [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of
<BR>> > GSailwhale@aol.com <BR>> > Sent: Monday, December 04,
2006 7:45 PM <BR>> > To: nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org <BR>>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Maneuver 4 Masters pattern <BR>>
> <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > Jim, <BR>> > <BR>>
> I'm not worried about cente! r right now, I'm just trying to get
through <BR>> > it!!! : ) <BR>> > <BR>> > Greg Grigsby
<BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> >
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