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<DIV>Jim is correct about selecting a regulator with a low drop out rating. It's
an easily overlooked parameter. In general, drop out ratings are given for
a full current load. Under lighter loads, you can expect less than the
rated dropout voltage (that's a good thing). </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Ed</DIV>
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<A title=mailto:joddino@socal.rr.com
href="mailto:joddino@socal.rr.com">J.Oddino</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, November 30, 2006 4:51
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lithium
Ion batteries</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Stuart presented some great reasons for
selecting Lithiums. I also believe they are safer if you have the right
charging equipment as you never go into overcharge and never build up
heat. Peak detecting chargers are known to miss the peaks (that occur as
a result of heat) now and then and go into thermal runaway.
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I've been using Li-Ion and Li-Poly on my RC
systems for many years and never remove them from the aircraft to charge
them. I do use a charger that tells me that they are charging
properly. It reads out number of cells, charge current, voltage, mAh and
time charging. If there were a problem I'd spot it and turn off the
charger.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>A word on regulators. Make sure your system
will work if one of your two cells goes to zero volts. That means you
want a low voltage drop across the regulator.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>You guys obsessed with low weight, are
probably already thinking about going with a single cell pack and no
regulator. I don't recommend it.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Jim O</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=mailto:schale@optonline.net
href="mailto:schale@optonline.net">Stuart Chale</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">'NSRCA Mailing List'</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, November 30, 2006 8:48
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lithium
Ion batteries</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I am using the TP
900 mah batteries with a 6 volt regulator. I doubt I will go back to
Nicd or NiMH in a new plane. Besides the weight savings they do not
auto discharge as the others do so no need to quick charge after a couple
week layoff. A quick check of the voltage can tell you that they are
charged if you want to check. In my plane (electric) I am also seeing
50 to 60 mah used per 8-9 min flight.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">If you are really
weight conscious as I was with the Pinnacle using heavier motor batteries
you can clip off the charging lead from your on off switch as you shouldn’t
charge the Lipos in the plane. Saves another 5 grams or so
</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Wingdings color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings">J</SPAN></FONT><FONT
face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Stuart<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Jay Marshall<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Thursday, November 30, 2006 10:21
AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> 'NSRCA Mailing
List'<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Lithium Ion batteries</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Ed’s right. The
disadvantage of LiPo’s is that you have to remove them from the plane for
charging – if you have any sense.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">-----Original
Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Ed Alt<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Thursday, November 30, 2006 10:02
AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B>
vicenterc@comcast.net; NSRCA Mailing List<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lithium
Ion batteries</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Verdana color=black
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Vince:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Verdana color=black
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">There's a charge
jack for each battery. One is via the switch and the other is a
separate lead just for that purpose. The only thing to watch for is
that some chargers will not work properly if you charge both at the same
time. Some work fine. The Hobbico Accu-Cycle Elite has definite
issues and should only be used one battery at a time. The problems
with some chargers arise solely because of the common ground when two
battery / switch harnesses are connected together. The common ground
can occur through the receiver power bus whenever two batteries are used and
is the only drawback to a dual battery setup. No matter how you do it,
you have to watch for this condition.
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Verdana color=black
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Verdana color=black
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">I
did some testing that was completely separate from the use of any regulator
or switch harness. On the bench, if you just have a battery on each
port of the Accu-cycle Elite, if you just add a jumper wire between what
they label as the negative battery leads, it has issues as soon as you
try to start the charging of the 2nd battery. If you measure the
voltage between the two while they are charging normally, it typically shows
about a 0.4 to 0.5V delta. This would almost certainly cause either an
early or late cutoff of the charging cycle if they were connected together -
IF you could ever get the 2nd battery to start charging. However,
during it's battery detection phase, the charger puts out a large voltage
difference between the two negative battery connections (ordinarily thought
of as ground when installed in the airplane) and it goes into an alarm
state. I have heard that other charger chargers show early cutoffs
when tried with dual batteries simultaneously charging, so the best advice
is go one at a time or else unplug to charge. With LiPo's, we should
be unplugging and removing anyway.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A
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face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> Thursday,
November 30, 2006 6:24 AM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Lithium Ion
batteries<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Verdana
color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Ed,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Verdana
color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">How you charge
when you use the two batteries with one or two switches
configurations?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Verdana
color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Vicente
"Vince" Bortone<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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Original message -------------- <BR>From: "Ed Alt" <<A
title=mailto:ed_alt@hotmail.com
href="mailto:ed_alt@hotmail.com">ed_alt@hotmail.com</A>>
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Verdana
color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">You will
get a lighter installation from LiPo's vs LiIon's. I've heard
that the LiIons stand up better to abuse if problems develop made during
charging, but I believe that you are still supposed to observe the same
precautions with either one. Given that, I did switch to TP LiPo's
when I built my Prestige's and they have worked out extremely
well. If you go with LiPo's, you can then afford (weight-wise) to
do a simple, but very effective dual redundant battery setup. I
use a pair od 730 mAh packs and can go all day on that. Check out
the Tech-Tip at <A title=http://www.tech-aero.net/
href="http://www.tech-aero.net/">http://www.tech-aero.net</A> to see how
it's done. It's even easier than pictured in those diagrams now
that there is a dual failsafe switch and regulatior available in one
package that operates off of just one
switch.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Verdana
color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Verdana
color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Let me know
if you have any questions, but a pair of LiPo's and a PLR5-DR is the
lightest and most reliable way possible to use
LiPo's.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> Wednesday,
November 29, 2006 10:21 PM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Subject:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Lithium Ion
batteries<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial
color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Dan, I am
not planning on running electric, so I would like to know, do I go
Litihium Ion, or Li-Poly. My guess is Li-Ion because of the make
up of the cell. Not a big fan of Dura-flames, So I am
intrerested in something different. I have heard some good
things about your batteries, and I would like to hear
more.</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Verdana color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Thanks,</SPAN></FONT><FONT
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Lithium Ion
batteries<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">If you
want more info about the fromeco battery and regulator, drop me a
line. I am a rep for them and will answer any questions that
you may have. I can also get you a great price on a set
up.<BR><BR>Dan<BR><BR>mike mueller wrote:
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"> Hey
Robert I like these:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><A
title=http://www.aerographix.biz/fromeco_batteries.htm
href="http://www.aerographix.biz/fromeco_batteries.htm">http://www.aerographix.biz/fromeco_batteries.htm</A><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"> Run
them with a 6v regulator. They will let you fly all day on 1 charge.
Mike<BR><BR><B><I><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-STYLE: italic">Robert & Casey
Green <A title=mailto:robcase1@cox.net
href="mailto:robcase1@cox.net"><robcase1@cox.net></A></SPAN></I></B>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Hey
Guys, I am thiking about running lithium-ions batteries this
year. Besides duralite, is there anything else worth
using.</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Verdana color=black size=2><SPAN
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