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<DIV><SPAN class=090463200-20112006>Sorry if I missed it but did we ever get a
consensus on this? That is, where does judging start? </SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=090463200-20112006>The rule book description says:
<B>Square Horizontal Eight: </B>Model pulls up and<SPAN
class=090463200-20112006> commences a square loop, when at the bottom of the
<STRONG><EM>third</EM></STRONG> leg...</SPAN></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=090463200-20112006><SPAN
class=090463200-20112006></SPAN></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=090463200-20112006><SPAN class=090463200-20112006>So I believe
the maneuver starts at the upwind push. I think we need to be clear
on this since it's possible to fly the preceding humpty so close to center (with
a pull at the top) that the final quarter loop takes you past center
(this is a very good thing if you're trying to minimize exposure while
inverted!), yet still leaving a 30M line between
maneuvers. </SPAN></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=090463200-20112006><SPAN
class=090463200-20112006></SPAN></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=090463200-20112006><SPAN class=090463200-20112006>How would you
score it? (Please leave S&G and pace out of the equation and respond
just on technical merit.) </SPAN></DIV>
<P align=left></SPAN><FONT face=Tahoma>-----Original
Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]<B>On Behalf Of
</B>Rcmaster199@aol.com<BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, November 12, 2006 11:25
AM<BR><B>To:</B> nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Masters Square 8<BR><BR></P></FONT>
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<DIV>The rule book is explicit on balanced center maneuvers of this type, as
Don pointed out.</DIV>
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<DIV>If one were to break the maneuver into its elements, the start is at
Center at the initiation of the first inverted S&L (1st element), prior to
the first push into first radius (2nd element). There must be a 15m S&L
prior to center. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>The end is after the last radius at center, which makes the first element
(inverted hor line) and last element (1/4 loop) tangent. And there must be the
obligatory 15m S&L past center at the end. </DIV>
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<DIV>It seems that some are arguing whether the short line segment of the
first element immediately past Center, which is covered by the last radius at
exit, should be included or excluded from the maneuver entry. It's a valid
argument and it seems to be a grey area, but is a moot point. Either way, the
short line segment has to be covered by at least the initial 15 m S&L line
prior to the start.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>In another point of view, Nits are people too and if we didn't Pick on
them, there'd be little point to the discussion board (VBG)</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Matt</DIV>
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<DIV>In a message dated 11/12/2006 8:24:21 AM Eastern Standard Time,
schale@optonline.net writes:</DIV>
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style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: blue 2px solid"><FONT
face=Arial>" As for scoring, I'm not entirely sure it
matters.<BR>Don"<BR><BR>What Don said is probably true. Agreed there
is a long inverted flight<BR>before the first push to vertical in the
horizontal eight and after the<BR>humpty bump. If someone is weaving,
or changing altitude during this<BR>portion, the judge is going to downgrade
one of the two maneuvers. I would<BR>think if there was a reasonable
straight and level after the humpty then the<BR>rest is judged on the
horizontal eight. Do we really have segments of<BR>flight that should
not be judged or added to a downgrade for anything but<BR>straight and
level?<BR><BR>Stuart Chale<BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From:
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org<BR>[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]
On Behalf Of Don Ramsey<BR>(CoxNet)<BR>Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006
8:40 PM<BR>To: NSRCA Mailing List<BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters
Square 8<BR><BR>Lance,<BR><BR>I believe it starts at center. Straight line
before center and start at <BR>center. The reason I say that is rule
14.1 which says "Each time the model <BR>passes before the judges, a
maneuver is executed, except after takeoff and <BR>landing." Of
course, some maneuvers start before center as the slow roll, <BR>etc. As for
scoring, I'm not entirely sure it matters.<BR><BR>Don<BR><BR>----- Original
Message ----- <BR>From: <jivey61@bellsouth.net><BR>To: "NSRCA Mailing
List" <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><BR>Sent: Saturday, November
11, 2006 7:16 PM<BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters Square
8<BR><BR><BR>> Lance<BR>> You will have to have a entry line before
the push to vertical past<BR>> center.This is where I think it starts...
at the start of the entry line.<BR>><BR>> Jim Ivey<BR>> -----
Original Message ----- <BR>> From: "Lance Van Nostrand"
<patterndude@comcast.net><BR>> To: "NSRCA Mailing List"
<nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><BR>> Sent: Saturday, November
11, 2006 7:51 PM<BR>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters Square
8<BR>><BR>><BR>>> OK,so where does the manuver begin and
end? At center, the radius after<BR>>> center, at the first
corner initiation?<BR>>><BR>>> --Lance</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
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