<HTML><HEAD>
<META charset=US-ASCII http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=US-ASCII">
<META content="MSHTML 6.00.2900.2963" name=GENERATOR></HEAD>
<BODY style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff">
<DIV>
<DIV>The rule book is explicit on balanced center maneuvers of this type, as Don pointed out.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>If one were to break the maneuver into its elements, the start is at Center at the initiation of the first inverted S&L (1st element), prior to the first push into first radius (2nd element). There must be a 15m S&L prior to center. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>The end is after the last radius at center, which makes the first element (inverted hor line) and last element (1/4 loop) tangent. And there must be the obligatory 15m S&L past center at the end. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>It seems that some are arguing whether the short line segment of the first element immediately past Center, which is covered by the last radius at exit, should be included or excluded from the maneuver entry. It's a valid argument and it seems to be a grey area, but is a moot point. Either way, the short line segment has to be covered by at least the initial 15 m S&L line prior to the start.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>In another point of view, Nits are people too and if we didn't Pick on them, there'd be little point to the discussion board (VBG)</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Matt</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>In a message dated 11/12/2006 8:24:21 AM Eastern Standard Time, schale@optonline.net writes:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: blue 2px solid"><FONT face=Arial>" As for scoring, I'm not entirely sure it matters.<BR>Don"<BR><BR>What Don said is probably true. Agreed there is a long inverted flight<BR>before the first push to vertical in the horizontal eight and after the<BR>humpty bump. If someone is weaving, or changing altitude during this<BR>portion, the judge is going to downgrade one of the two maneuvers. I would<BR>think if there was a reasonable straight and level after the humpty then the<BR>rest is judged on the horizontal eight. Do we really have segments of<BR>flight that should not be judged or added to a downgrade for anything but<BR>straight and level?<BR><BR>Stuart Chale<BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org<BR>[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Don Ramsey<BR>(CoxNet)<BR>Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 8:40 PM<BR>To: NSRCA Mailing List<BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters Square 8<BR><BR>Lance,<BR><BR>I believe it starts at center. Straight line before center and start at <BR>center. The reason I say that is rule 14.1 which says "Each time the model <BR>passes before the judges, a maneuver is executed, except after takeoff and <BR>landing." Of course, some maneuvers start before center as the slow roll, <BR>etc. As for scoring, I'm not entirely sure it matters.<BR><BR>Don<BR><BR>----- Original Message ----- <BR>From: <jivey61@bellsouth.net><BR>To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><BR>Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 7:16 PM<BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters Square 8<BR><BR><BR>> Lance<BR>> You will have to have a entry line before the push to vertical past<BR>> center.This is where I think it starts... at the start of the entry line.<BR>><BR>> Jim Ivey<BR>> ----- Original Message ----- <BR>> From: "Lance Van Nostrand" <patterndude@comcast.net><BR>> To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><BR>> Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 7:51 PM<BR>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters Square 8<BR>><BR>><BR>>> OK,so where does the manuver begin and end? At center, the radius after<BR>>> center, at the first corner initiation?<BR>>><BR>>> --Lance</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
<DIV></DIV></BODY></HTML>