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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Thanks for the reply Tom. I share your sentiments
regarding the Lazulite. I really like the appearance of the Lazulite and a
couple of years ago at the Nats Kenny Lauter had one and flew it in practice and
quickly put it away and competed with his second airplane.I never did know the
reason for his actions, might have been a trimming problem or whatever, but I
sure thought it was a beauty.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Zero-zero scares me a little as I built one that
way once and it flew badly.I struggled with it a long time and after doing
numerous re-setups I finally changed the main</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>wing incidence and got it to fly
acceptably.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Keep us posted as regards the outcome of both
experiences. Like you, I have dabbled in a few of my own designs and am always
interested in the empiricle results of others. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Georgie</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=Tom.Koenig@actewagl.com.au
href="mailto:Tom.Koenig@actewagl.com.au">Koenig, Tom</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, October 18, 2006 6:15
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Partner
set-up question</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=750274721-18102006><FONT face="Comic Sans MS"
color=#0000ff>George,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=750274721-18102006><FONT face="Comic Sans MS"
color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=750274721-18102006><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff>I
really couldn't tell you- I still need to (finish) building
them!!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=750274721-18102006><FONT face="Comic Sans MS"
color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=750274721-18102006><FONT face="Comic Sans MS"
color=#0000ff>However, I was hoping that some of you boys in the US might have
an answer to that? But I gather that the ratio of Partners to Lazulites is
quite high in the US?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=750274721-18102006><FONT face="Comic Sans MS"
color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=750274721-18102006><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff>I
always wondered why there are relatively few Lazulites flying in the US. The
Lazulite has a few differences, enough I guess for a selection of pilots. The
wing sections are the same, but differ in percentages etc.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=750274721-18102006><FONT face="Comic Sans MS"
color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS"><FONT color=#0000ff><SPAN
class=750274721-18102006>George-as far as my expectations are concerned
regarding pitch values, I'd expect them both to be about the same. As a rule
of thumb, I would have thought the stab which is lower to pitch less-but there
are enough differences in stab/wing and fuselage for it to perhaps be the
same, i.e.: trimmable with a bit of incidence work.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS"><FONT color=#0000ff><SPAN
class=750274721-18102006></SPAN></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS"><FONT color=#0000ff><SPAN
class=750274721-18102006>Incidentally-the marks on either fuselage suggest 0-0
wing stab???? I'd have to draw the fuselages up to see rigging
angles.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>
<DIV><BR><SPAN class=750274721-18102006><FONT face="Comic Sans MS"
color=#0000ff size=3>Tom</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=750274721-18102006> </SPAN>-----Original
Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]<B>On Behalf Of </B>george w.
kennie<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, 18 October 2006 12:19 PM<BR><B>To:</B> NSRCA
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hey Tom,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>What are the differences in the mix values
between these two models? Particularly pitch values. Your opinion
please.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Geo.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=Tom.Koenig@actewagl.com.au
href="mailto:Tom.Koenig@actewagl.com.au">Koenig, Tom</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, October 17, 2006 6:16
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Partner set-up question</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=928370322-17102006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Hello Claude and all,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=928370322-17102006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=928370322-17102006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>These are the measurements I came up with. Please-if anyone has
other data it would be interesting to compare. First up nothing earth
shattering as far as the numbers are concerned. Quite standard
actually.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=928370322-17102006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=928370322-17102006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Partner</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=928370322-17102006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=928370322-17102006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>With reference to the canopy floor.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=928370322-17102006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=928370322-17102006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Datum line/spinner center 56 mm below canopy
line</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=928370322-17102006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>wing
center
92 mm below canopy line( or 36 mm below datum line)</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=928370322-17102006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>stab
center
63 mm below canopy line( or 7 mm below datum line)</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=928370322-17102006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=928370322-17102006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=928370322-17102006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Lazulite</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=928370322-17102006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=928370322-17102006>
<DIV><SPAN class=928370322-17102006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>With reference to the canopy floor.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=928370322-17102006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=928370322-17102006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Datum line/spinner center 56 mm below canopy
line</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=928370322-17102006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>wing
center
90 mm below canopy line( or 34 mm below datum line)</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=928370322-17102006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>stab
center 57
mm below canopy line( or 1 mm below datum line)</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=928370322-17102006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=928370322-17102006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>I presume that with the stab center on the Lazulite, I may
have made an error in measurement and that the stab is actually located ON
the datum line( it was getting late!)</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=928370322-17102006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=928370322-17102006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=928370322-17102006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>The models are actually very similar, with a bit of coaxing the
Lazulite Canopy will fit on a Partner and vice versa.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=928370322-17102006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=928370322-17102006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>I have not compared 1/4 chord to 1/4 chord moments-but if these are
wanted I'll measure that up as well.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=928370322-17102006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=928370322-17102006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>The Lazulite was disgustingly close ( by millimeters) to my own
Merlin design.I'm still kicking myself for the cash that was
'burnt'.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=928370322-17102006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=928370322-17102006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Hope it is of help.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=928370322-17102006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=928370322-17102006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=928370322-17102006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Tom</FONT></SPAN></DIV></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=928370322-17102006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=928370322-17102006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]<B>On Behalf Of
</B>Claude Weimer<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, 17 October 2006 8:52
AM<BR><B>To:</B> 'NSRCA Mailing List'<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Partner set-up question<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Tom,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">No one else has
responded. I would really appreciate if you could give me the
information. I can deal with metrics if that’s what you use.
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Thanks,
Claude<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Koenig,
Tom<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Monday,
October 16, 2006 4:20 PM<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">NSRCA
Mailing List</st1:PersonName><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Partner set-up question</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=blue size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Claude,</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=blue size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Have
you had any answers yet?</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=blue size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">If
not-I'll measure up my unbuilt one and see what the numbers are. I
hope they will make sense with the results from
others?</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=blue size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Tom</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">-----Original
Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]<B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Claude
Weimer<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Monday, 16
October 2006 12:53 PM<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B>
nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> [NSRCA-discussion] Partner
setup question</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Can some one tell me the
distance below the engine thrust line to the centerline of the wing on
the Partner? And I would also like to know the distance above the wing
centerline to the center of the horizontal stab. Thanks, Claude.
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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