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<DIV>Your just way under powered try the Hacker A30-16m and 35 amp ECS always with 3 amp bec we have used the 11x7 prop unlimited vertical on this I even flew it in a 35 mph wind at a Chicago contest just for kicks, for slower down lines try lower pitch and bigger diameter. Theres a thread on RCU elertic pattern that should help. I agree maybe not the best but it's still can be done. Think if you work with it it would be exceptable if not just plain fun.</DIV>
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<DIV>Steven Maxwell</DIV>
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<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=shan@telus.net href="mailto:shan@telus.net">Amar Shan</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To: </B><A title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</A></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> 10/18/2006 12:36:22 PM </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [NSRCA-discussion] Anyone use a Brio 10 (little electric) topractice pattern?</DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=399512516-18102006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I bought one of these to enable flying closer to home, and I expected that it would fly somewhat </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=399512516-18102006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>akin to a 2m pattern plane. It does not!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=399512516-18102006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=399512516-18102006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>- the wing loading seems very high. The glide characteristics are more akin to a winged brick </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=399512516-18102006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2> than a pattern plane ... it really seems to need to land with power (or at least very nose down</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=399512516-18102006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2> until the flare)</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=399512516-18102006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=399512516-18102006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>- Flying it with a Speed 480 - this seems quite inadequate to the task. Uplines are only</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=399512516-18102006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2> 100-150 feet before it runs out of steam, and you simply cannot pull into a vertical slowly</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=399512516-18102006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2> and expect the motor to "tractor" you upwards. It also seems slow, but I'm new to these</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=399512516-18102006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2> little electrics, so perhaps that's normal?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=399512516-18102006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=399512516-18102006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>- no braking on the downline at all. Pushing the nose downwards causes it to accelerate</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=399512516-18102006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2> at approximately 9.8 m/s/s (32 feet per sec squared for our American friends) ... :-)</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=399512516-18102006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=399512516-18102006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Any suggestions? Has anyone found a way to lighten it? I'm using a 2150 mAH pack, micro</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=399512516-18102006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>servos, miniature rx ... can't think of any obvious way to decrease weight. I don't have a spinner</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=399512516-18102006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>on the plane, will that reduce performance? Would an AXI 2808 give better performance?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=399512516-18102006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=399512516-18102006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>And lastly, if I'm expecting too much of this airplane, does anyone have any good recommendations</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=399512516-18102006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>for a mini (ie, school yard flyer) size pattern plane?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=399512516-18102006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Thanks!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=399512516-18102006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Amar</FONT></SPAN></DIV></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>