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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Thank you!! This has been flown away, I
hope.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>vicenterc@comcast.net<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, October 18, 2006
3:15 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> NSRCA Mailing List; NSRCA
Mailing List<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Masters 2007 Figure "M" question-verticalsegments</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>THE END....<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Vicente "Vince" Bortone<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>-------------- Original message -------------- <br>
From: "Don Ramsey" <don.ramsey@cox.net> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>I agree with Glen, the general rules must be followed
as well as the specific. Each maneuver should not require each small
detail be described. Most are already over-defined causing many to not
read the regs. Done properly, the general section should be large and the
detail small. All centered maneuvers are generally symetrical around
center. A top hat at center should have all line
lengths equal. A turnaround top hat may have all line lengths
different for positioning and altitude adjustment. Same for stall turns
at center and turnaround stall turns. All the statement "The length
of the vertical segments is not a judging criteria" means is the
performance of the model in vertical is not a grading criteria. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>In general, centered maneuvers that appear to be
symetrical should be symetrical. Centered maneuvers that appear to begin
and end at the same altitude should, in fact, begin and end at the same
altitude. The figure "M" is a symetrical maneuver around center
with first roll directional optional, stall turn direction optional,
inverted through the bottom half loop, roll direction optional on the
second vertical, vertical line lenght the same as the first vertical, stall
turn direction optional, upright exit with overall height of the maneuver
optional and all radii the same. Much of this is stated in the maneuver description
but what is not specificed is: radii must be the same, rolls must be in the
center of the lines, the stall turn has a maximum pivot radius of 1/2 wingspan,
the roll rates are the same, etc... That's the general section and it applies.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt'>Don</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>----- Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in;background:#E4E4E4'><b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:gwatson11@houston.rr.com" title="gwatson11@houston.rr.com">Glen
Watson</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
title="nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">'NSRCA Mailing List'</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Wednesday,
October 18, 2006 10:14 AM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Masters 2007 Figure "M" question -verticalsegments<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><!-- Converted from text/rtf format -->Keith,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Here is an interesting</span></font>
<font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>passage</span></font>
<font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>from
the</span></font> <font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>rule book page 77</span></font> <font size=2
face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>regarding
lines within a maneuver.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>"All lines within a
maneuver have a beginning</span></font> <font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>and end which define their</span></font>
<font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>length.</span></font><b><u><span
style='font-weight:bold'> </span></u></b><b><u><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";font-weight:bold'>The length
of a</span></font> </u></b><b><u><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";font-weight:bold'>line should
only be graded when a maneuver contains</span></font> </u></b><b><u><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";
font-weight:bold'>several lines with a given relationship</span></font></u></b><font
size=2 face!="Couri er New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>, as in a</span></font>
<font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>square
loop. Unequal or</span></font> <font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>misrelated lines should be</span></font>
<font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>downgraded
according to the severity of the</span></font> <font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>defect.</span></font> <font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>One
(1) point is subtracted for a reasonable difference.</span></font> <font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>More
points are subtracted for greater differenc! es.</FO NT>"<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>My take away is the maneuver
description implies the vertical line length is not a judge-able item however
since there are two vertical lines their length must be of the same reasonable
length.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>I for one am beginning to
understand the importance of understanding not just the individual maneuver
description but also the general descriptions and definitions the rule book
provides like the above example.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Glen<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>-----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>From:
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org [<a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>]
On Behalf Of Keith Black<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Sent: Wednesday, October 18,
2006 12:13 AM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>To: NSRCA Mailing List<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Subject: Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Masters 2007 Figure "M" question -
verticalsegments<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Now that we're breaking this
down, I'd like some clarification on the<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>section of the rule below
that states:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>"The length of the
vertical segments is not a judging criteria."<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>In the strictest translation
of this sentence I would say that this means<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>that the two stall turns do
not need to be the same height, however, this<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>seems inconsistent will all
other centered maneuvers where two halves of an<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>object do have to match in
size.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>A looser translation could
be that the intention of this verbiage is to<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>point out that a shorter 'M'
should score as well as a taller 'M', but<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>assumes that both sides
should be the same height (which isn't stated<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>anywhere).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Unless otherwise clarified,
I'd have to deduce that indeed the two stall<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>turns don't have to be the
same height.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Keith Black<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>----- Original Message -----
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>From: "Glen
Watson" <gwatson11@houston.rr.com><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>To: "'NSRCA Mailing List'"
<nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Sent: Tuesday, October 17,
2006 12:10 PM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Subject: Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Masters 2007 Figure "M" question<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Below is the Figure M
description from page 79-80 of the current AMA rule<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>book...Note the statement
regarding rolls and stall turn direction are<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>pilot's option...I then
found this statement "Edit page 79-80 Figure M with<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>¼ or ½
rolls" to include ¾ roll options" on the NSRCA page under:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><a
href="http://nsrca.org/competition/judging/Patterns2007">http://nsrca.org/competition/judging/Patterns2007</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Figure M with 1/4 or 1/2
Rolls: Model pulls up into one-quarter (1/4) loop<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>to a vertical track,
hesitates then performs prescribed roll, hesitates then<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>executes a stall turn
through 180 degrees, hesitates, performs<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>prescribed roll, hesitates
then executes one-half (1/2) outside loop to<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>vertical track, hesitates,
performs prescribed roll, hesitates, executes a<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>stall turn through 180
degrees, hesitates, performs prescribed roll,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>hesitates then recovers with
another one-quarter (1/4) loop to level flight.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Direction of rolls and stall
turns are pilot's option. The length of the<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>vertical segments is not a
judging criteria.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Downgrades:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>1. Model not vertical at
start and finish of rolls<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>and stall turns.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>2. Stall turns not exactly
180 degrees.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>3. Model does not execute
prescribed rolls.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>4. Rolls not centered in
vertical lines.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>5. Bottom of outside half
loop not at same altitude<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>as entry and exit.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Glen<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:
12.0pt;margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>-----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>From:
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>[<a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>]
On Behalf Of Jerry Budd<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Sent: Tuesday, October 17,
2006 11:20 AM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>To: NSRCA Mailing List<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Subject: Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Masters 2007 Figure "M" question<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Hi Jim,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Unless the maneuver has
changed from 15 years ago all the rolls have<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>to be in the same direction,
resulting in one stall turn being<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>canopy-facing you and the
other being belly-facing you (your choice<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>as to which comes
first). It's a tough maneuver, especially when the<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>wind is blowing other than
down the runway.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Jerry<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>>Bob<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> My memory crutch
is,when flying from left to right, the 1st 2 roll<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>>directions are left-left
and 2nd 2 roll directions are right-right.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>>When flying from the
right to left,the 1st 2 roll directions are<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>right-right<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>>and 2nd 2 roll
directions are left-left.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>>Like Arch said the
center half loop is inverted in both cases.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>>Lotsa a upside down.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>>Jim Ivey<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>>----- Original Message
-----<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>>From: "Archie
Stafford" <rcpattern@stx.rr.com><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>>To: "'NSRCA Mailing
List'" <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>>Sent: Tuesday, October
17, 2006 11:11 AM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>>Subject: Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Masters 2007 Figure "M" question<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>>> Bob,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>>><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>>> It has to be
inverted. The direction of roll must be the same on every<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>>3/4<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>>> roll
therefore you end up inverted across the middle.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>>><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>>> Arch<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>>><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>>> -----Original
Message-----<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>>> From:
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>>> [<a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>]
On Behalf Of Bob Kane<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>>> Sent:
Tuesday, October 17, 2006 9:53 AM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>>> To:
nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>>> Subject:
[NSRCA-discussion] Masters 2007 Figure "M" question<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>>><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>>> OK, I'm
finally try to fly this thing with a pencil . . . . . . one<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>>> question I
have (so far) is the 1/2 loop between the two stall turns in<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>>the<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>>> figure M:
Does it matter if it is an inside or outside half loop? The<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>>> aresti
diagram posted on Flying Giants shows it as an outside half loop<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>>with<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>>> no
option. Thanks.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>>><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>>> Bob Kane<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>>>
getterflash@yahoo.com<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>>><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>>><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>>><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>>>
_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>>>
NSRCA-discussion mailing list<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>>> NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>>> <a
href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>>><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>>>
_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>>>
NSRCA-discussion mailing list<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>>>
NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>>> <a
href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>>NSRCA-discussion mailing
list<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>>NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>><a
href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>-- <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>___________<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Jerry Budd<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Budd Engineering<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><a
href="mailto:jerry@buddengineering.com">mailto:jerry@buddengineering.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><a
href="http://www.buddengineering.com/">http://www.buddengineering.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><a
href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> _______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
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<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>>
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<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> <a
href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
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