<div>Actually, no. The pilots that did not wind correct as much as I got better scores as a result.</div> <div> </div> <div>Bob R.</div> <div><BR><BR><B><I>"Del K. Rykert" <drykert2@rochester.rr.com></I></B> wrote:</div> <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2900.2963" name=GENERATOR> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hopefully that very inadequate judge applied the same reasoning to all of your competitors in that class so you were all equally treated.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> Del <BR> nsrca - 473</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT:
10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=bob@toprudder.com href="mailto:bob@toprudder.com">Bob Richards</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, October 18, 2006 12:40 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters 2007 Figure "M" question</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV>I always assume it is flight path. However, I got nailed by a judge once, when flying in 20kt wind, that the model did not rotate exactly 180 degrees in a stall turn. That was the way the rule was written, "model" and not "path".</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Bob R.</DIV> <DIV><BR><BR><B><I>"White, Chris" <<A href="mailto:chris@ssd.fsi.com">chris@ssd.fsi.com</A>></I></B>
wrote:</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid"> <META content="Microsoft Word 11 (filtered medium)" name=Generator> <STYLE>v\:* { BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML) } o\:* { BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML) } w\:* { BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML) } .shape { BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML) } </STYLE> <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:SmartTagType name="PersonName" namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"></o:SmartTagType> <STYLE> st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) } </STYLE> <STYLE> <!-- /* Font Definitions */ @font-face {font-family:Tahoma; panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;} /* Style Definitions */ p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal {margin:0in; margin-bottom:.0001pt; font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman";} a:link, span.MsoHyperlink {color:blue; text-decoration:underline;} a:visited,
span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:#606420; text-decoration:underline;} span.EmailStyle17 {mso-style-type:personal-reply; font-family:Arial; color:navy;} @page Section1 {size:8.5in 11.0in; margin:1.0in 1.25in 1.0in 1.25in;} div.Section1 {page:Section1;} --> </STYLE> <DIV class=Section1> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">If someone has already clarified, I’ve missed it, but….<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I thought it was to be assumed that “Flight Path” is ALWAYS the judging criteria (OK, except while the aircraft is auto-rotating in a spin….)….NOT model attitude. (Gee, can you
imagine how ugly the M would look in 20kt winds if NOT wind-corrected?)<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Chris White<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="TEXT-ALIGN: center" align=center><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <HR tabIndex=-1 align=center width="100%" SIZE=2> </SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On
Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Bob Richards<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Tuesday, October 17, 2006 4:39 PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:PersonName w:st="on">NSRCA Mailing List</st1:PersonName><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters 2007 Figure "M" question</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></DIV></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I have a real problem with the rules for downgrades listed. It does not allow for wind correction.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV
class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">"Model not vertical at start and finish of rolls and stall turns."<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Should that not be "path not vertical" instead??? <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Bob R.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><BR><BR><B><I><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-STYLE: italic">Glen Watson
<gwatson11@houston.rr.com></SPAN></I></B> wrote:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; MARGIN-TOP: 5pt; PADDING-LEFT: 4pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 5pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 3.75pt; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 1.5pt solid; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Below is the Figure M description from page 79-80 of the current AMA rule<BR>book...Note the statement regarding rolls and stall turn direction are<BR>pilot's option...I then found this statement "Edit page 79-80 Figure M with<BR>¼ or ½ rolls" to include ¾ roll options" on the NSRCA page under:<BR>http://nsrca.org/competition/judging/Patterns2007<BR><BR>Figure M with 1/4 or 1/2 Rolls: Model pulls up into one-quarter (1/4) loop<BR>to a vertical track, hesitates then performs prescribed roll, hesitates then<BR>executes a stall turn
through 180 degrees, hesitates, performs<BR>prescribed roll, hesitates then executes one-half (1/2) outside loop to<BR>vertical track, hesitates, performs prescribed roll, hesitates, executes a<BR>stall turn through 180 degrees, hesitates, performs prescribed roll,<BR>hesitates then recovers with another one-quarter (1/4) loop to level flight.<BR>Direction of rolls and stall turns are pilot's option. The length of the<BR>vertical segments is not a judging criteria. <BR><BR>Downgrades:<BR>1. Model not vertical at start and finish of rolls<BR>and stall turns.<BR>2. Stall turns not exactly 180 degrees.<BR>3. Model does not execute prescribed rolls.<BR>4. Rolls not centered in vertical lines.<BR>5. Bottom of outside half loop not at same altitude<BR>as entry and exit.<BR><BR>Regards,<BR><BR>Glen<BR><BR><BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org<BR>[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Budd<BR>Sent:
Tuesday, October 17, 2006 11:20 AM<BR>To: <st1:PersonName w:st="on">NSRCA Mailing List</st1:PersonName><BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters 2007 Figure "M" question<BR><BR>Hi Jim,<BR><BR>Unless the maneuver has changed from 15 years ago all the rolls have <BR>to be in the same direction, resulting in one stall turn being <BR>canopy-facing you and the other being belly-facing you (your choice <BR>as to which comes first). It's a tough maneuver, especially when the <BR>wind is blowing other than down the runway.<BR><BR>Jerry<BR><BR><BR>>Bob<BR>> My memory crutch is,when flying from left to right, the 1st 2 roll<BR>>directions are left-left and 2nd 2 roll directions are right-right.<BR>>When flying from the right to left,the 1st 2 roll directions are<BR>right-right<BR>>and 2nd 2 roll directions are left-left.<BR>>Like Arch said the center half loop is inverted in both cases.<BR>>Lotsa a upside down.<BR>><BR>>Jim Ivey<BR>><BR>>-----
Original Message -----<BR>>From: "Archie Stafford" <BR><RCPATTERN@STX.RR.COM>>To: "'<st1:PersonName w:st="on">NSRCA Mailing List</st1:PersonName>'" <BR><NSRCA-DISCUSSION@LISTS.NSRCA.ORG>>Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 11:11 AM<BR>>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters 2007 Figure "M" question<BR>><BR>><BR>>> Bob,<BR>>><BR>>> It has to be inverted. The direction of roll must be the same on every<BR>>3/4<BR>>> roll therefore you end up inverted across the middle.<BR>>><BR>>> Arch<BR>>><BR>>> -----Original Message-----<BR>>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org<BR>>> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Bob Kane<BR>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 9:53 AM<BR>>> To: nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<BR>>> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters 2007 Figure "M" question<BR>>><BR>>> OK, I'm finally try to fly this thing with a pencil
. . . . . . one<BR>>> question I have (so far) is the 1/2 loop between the two stall turns in<BR>>the<BR>>> figure M: Does it matter if it is an inside or outside half loop? The<BR>>> aresti diagram posted on Flying Giants shows it as an outside half loop<BR>>with<BR>>> no option. Thanks.<BR>>><BR>>> Bob Kane<BR>>> getterflash@yahoo.com<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> _______________________________________________<BR>>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list<BR>>> NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<BR>>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion<BR>>><BR>>> _______________________________________________<BR>>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list<BR>>> NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<BR>>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion<BR>><BR>>_______________________________________________<BR>>NSRCA-discussion mailing
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