<div>I have a real problem with the rules for downgrades listed. It does not allow for wind correction.</div> <div> </div> <div>"Model not vertical at start and finish of rolls and stall turns."<BR></div> <div dir=ltr style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">Should that not be "path not vertical" instead??? </div> <div dir=ltr style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> </div> <div dir=ltr style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">Bob R.</div> <div dir=ltr style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> </div> <div dir=ltr style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"><BR><BR><B><I>Glen Watson <gwatson11@houston.rr.com></I></B> wrote:</div> <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">Below is the Figure M description from page 79-80 of the current AMA rule<BR>book...Note the statement regarding rolls and stall turn direction are<BR>pilot's option...I then found this statement "Edit page 79-80 Figure M with<BR>¼ or ½ rolls" to include ¾ roll options" on the NSRCA page
under:<BR>http://nsrca.org/competition/judging/Patterns2007<BR><BR>Figure M with 1/4 or 1/2 Rolls: Model pulls up into one-quarter (1/4) loop<BR>to a vertical track, hesitates then performs prescribed roll, hesitates then<BR>executes a stall turn through 180 degrees, hesitates, performs<BR>prescribed roll, hesitates then executes one-half (1/2) outside loop to<BR>vertical track, hesitates, performs prescribed roll, hesitates, executes a<BR>stall turn through 180 degrees, hesitates, performs prescribed roll,<BR>hesitates then recovers with another one-quarter (1/4) loop to level flight.<BR>Direction of rolls and stall turns are pilot's option. The length of the<BR>vertical segments is not a judging criteria. <BR><BR>Downgrades:<BR>1. Model not vertical at start and finish of rolls<BR>and stall turns.<BR>2. Stall turns not exactly 180 degrees.<BR>3. Model does not execute prescribed rolls.<BR>4. Rolls not centered in vertical lines.<BR>5. Bottom of outside half loop not at
same altitude<BR>as entry and exit.<BR><BR>Regards,<BR><BR>Glen<BR><BR><BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org<BR>[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Budd<BR>Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 11:20 AM<BR>To: NSRCA Mailing List<BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters 2007 Figure "M" question<BR><BR>Hi Jim,<BR><BR>Unless the maneuver has changed from 15 years ago all the rolls have <BR>to be in the same direction, resulting in one stall turn being <BR>canopy-facing you and the other being belly-facing you (your choice <BR>as to which comes first). It's a tough maneuver, especially when the <BR>wind is blowing other than down the runway.<BR><BR>Jerry<BR><BR><BR>>Bob<BR>> My memory crutch is,when flying from left to right, the 1st 2 roll<BR>>directions are left-left and 2nd 2 roll directions are right-right.<BR>>When flying from the right to left,the 1st 2 roll directions
are<BR>right-right<BR>>and 2nd 2 roll directions are left-left.<BR>>Like Arch said the center half loop is inverted in both cases.<BR>>Lotsa a upside down.<BR>><BR>>Jim Ivey<BR>><BR>>----- Original Message -----<BR>>From: "Archie Stafford" <RCPATTERN@STX.RR.COM><BR>>To: "'NSRCA Mailing List'" <NSRCA-DISCUSSION@LISTS.NSRCA.ORG><BR>>Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 11:11 AM<BR>>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters 2007 Figure "M" question<BR>><BR>><BR>>> Bob,<BR>>><BR>>> It has to be inverted. The direction of roll must be the same on every<BR>>3/4<BR>>> roll therefore you end up inverted across the middle.<BR>>><BR>>> Arch<BR>>><BR>>> -----Original Message-----<BR>>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org<BR>>> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Bob Kane<BR>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 9:53 AM<BR>>> To:
nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<BR>>> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters 2007 Figure "M" question<BR>>><BR>>> OK, I'm finally try to fly this thing with a pencil . . . . . . one<BR>>> question I have (so far) is the 1/2 loop between the two stall turns in<BR>>the<BR>>> figure M: Does it matter if it is an inside or outside half loop? The<BR>>> aresti diagram posted on Flying Giants shows it as an outside half loop<BR>>with<BR>>> no option. Thanks.<BR>>><BR>>> Bob Kane<BR>>> getterflash@yahoo.com<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> _______________________________________________<BR>>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list<BR>>> NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<BR>>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion<BR>>><BR>>> _______________________________________________<BR>>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list<BR>>>
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