<div>Personally, I think this should fall under "technique", not judging critieria. If the manuever looks correct *according to the rules* then it does not matter which way it rolled. Period.</div> <div> </div> <div>Bob R.</div> <div><BR><BR><B><I>Archie Stafford <rcpattern@stx.rr.com></I></B> wrote:</div> <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">I disagree, I personally like to roll canopy into the wind. I think it does<BR>present a little better and also can help auto wind correct for you. A<BR>perfect example is an immelman that at the top the nose is heading away from<BR>you due to wind, or in to far due to bad wind correction. You can roll<BR>canopy into the wind and it is much less noticeable than rolling the other<BR>way which exaggerates the problem.<BR><BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org<BR>[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] On
Behalf Of dwaynenancy<BR>Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 3:38 PM<BR>To: NSRCA Mailing List<BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters 2007 Figure "M" question<BR><BR>Dr. Ralph Brooke (world champion) said always to do your rolls away from <BR>the flight line. This makes any directional heading movement less <BR>noticeable. Dwayne<BR><BR>Mark Atwood wrote:<BR><BR>>I would disagree...it IS defined. Figure M with 3/4 rolls. Roll direction<BR>>is optional, stall direction is optional. That's always been the case<BR>>unless it's specified otherwise. There's no "implied" roll direction, just<BR>>one that some think looks better. That will always be the case.<BR>><BR>>Some people do their four points in different directions so as to show the<BR>>canopy first, or last, which ever they feel presents better...Not sure I<BR>>personally care, but for those that do...go for it. I know I'll catch<BR>>flack for say this, but this IS a subjective sport.
Presentation DOES<BR>>matter... Always will. It's shouldn't outweigh the objective criteria, but<BR>>it's not worthless either.<BR>><BR>><BR>>On 10/17/06 3:11 PM, "jivey61@bellsouth.net" <JIVEY61@BELLSOUTH.NET>wrote:<BR>><BR>> <BR>><BR>>>G<BR>>>Yes you agree ..but you also see we have to define it now or everybody<BR>will<BR>>>be flying and judging it differently. What a mess that will be.<BR>>><BR>>>Jim Ivey<BR>>>----- Original Message -----<BR>>>From: "george w. kennie" <GEOBET@GIS.NET><BR>>>To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <NSRCA-DISCUSSION@LISTS.NSRCA.ORG><BR>>>Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 1:50 PM<BR>>>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters 2007 Figure "M" question<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> <BR>>><BR>>>>Jim,<BR>>>>It certainly will work this way, but your original method will present<BR>>>>better. With the roll direction being pilots option your
original<BR>>>>ll/rr-rr/ll is a much prettier maneuver. There's something to be said for<BR>>>>presenting the canopy to the judges on rolling maneuvers. I apply this<BR>>>>technique on all maneuvers with rolling elements unless the specified<BR>>>>requirement forces otherwise, like reverse K.E.'s. IMHO, you had it<BR>right<BR>>>>the first time!<BR>>>>G.<BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>>----- Original Message -----<BR>>>>From: <JIVEY61@BELLSOUTH.NET><BR>>>>To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <NSRCA-DISCUSSION@LISTS.NSRCA.ORG><BR>>>>Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 1:17 PM<BR>>>>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters 2007 Figure "M" question<BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>> <BR>>>><BR>>>>>Bob<BR>>>>>If I read the Aresti correct the rolls on both vertical lines are the<BR>>>>>
<BR>>>>><BR>>>same<BR>>> <BR>>><BR>>>>>direction.This makes it lt-lt and lt-lt coming from the left and rt-rt<BR>>>>> <BR>>>>><BR>>>and<BR>>> <BR>>><BR>>>>>rt-rt coming from the right.Like Jerry said look at top of plane one<BR>>>>> <BR>>>>><BR>>>time<BR>>> <BR>>><BR>>>>>and bottom of the plane next time.<BR>>>>><BR>>>>>Jim Ivey<BR>>>>>----- Original Message -----<BR>>>>>From: "Bob Kane" <GETTERFLASH@YAHOO.COM><BR>>>>>To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <NSRCA-DISCUSSION@LISTS.NSRCA.ORG><BR>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 1:01 PM<BR>>>>>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters 2007 Figure "M" question<BR>>>>><BR>>>>><BR>>>>> <BR>>>>><BR>>>>>>Wow, this is more complicated than I
anticipated. Do you have to roll<BR>>>>>> <BR>>>>>><BR>>>the<BR>>> <BR>>><BR>>>>>same way for each stall turn? Or can you reverse directions to show the<BR>>>>>canopy during each stall?<BR>>>>> <BR>>>>><BR>>>>>>For example, flying left to right as shown on the aresti, pull 1/4<BR>>>>>> <BR>>>>>><BR>>>loop,<BR>>> <BR>>><BR>>>>>short line, roll 3/4 left (canopy toward flightline), short line, stall<BR>>>>>toward the right, short line, roll 3/4 left, short line, push 1/2<BR>>>>> <BR>>>>><BR>>>outside<BR>>> <BR>>><BR>>>>>loop, short line, roll 3/4 right (canopy faces flight line), short line,<BR>>>>>stall towerd the right, short line, 3/4 roll right, short line, pull 1/4<BR>>>>>loop.<BR>>>>>
<BR>>>>><BR>>>>>>Bob Kane<BR>>>>>>getterflash@yahoo.com<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>>----- Original Message ----<BR>>>>>>From: "jivey61@bellsouth.net" <JIVEY61@BELLSOUTH.NET><BR>>>>>>To: NSRCA Mailing List <NSRCA-DISCUSSION@LISTS.NSRCA.ORG><BR>>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 12:45:56 PM<BR>>>>>>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters 2007 Figure "M" question<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>>Jerry<BR>>>>>>I looked again at the aresti and I think you are right.The aresti shows<BR>>>>>>both upline rolls in the same direction.That would let you see the top<BR>>>>>>one<BR>>>>>>time and bottom the other time.<BR>>>>>>My mistake Bob so much for
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