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<P align=left>Agree that the maneuver presents better when you watch the canopy on both stall turns, and the r-r / l-l roll technique is the right answer to get that. </P>
<P align=left>But we should be clear that roll direction and stall turn direction are NOT causes for downgrade. The 1/2 loop must be inverted, but I believe other than that, the pilot can roll either way, and stall either way he wants throughout the maneuver<STRONG>. </STRONG></P>
<P align=left>-=-=-=-=<BR>Here's the current comp. reg. on the Figure M, and the accepted proposal is below that. <BR><BR><STRONG>Figure M with 1/4 or 1/2 Rolls:</STRONG> </FONT><FONT face=TimesNewRoman size=2>Model pulls up into one-quarter (1/4) loop to a vertical track, hesitates then performs prescribed roll, hesitates then executes a stall turn through 180 degrees, hesitates, performs prescribed roll, hesitates then executes one-half (1/2) outside loop to vertical track, hesitates, performs prescribed roll, hesitates, executes a stall turn through 180 degrees, hesitates, performs prescribed roll, hesitates then recovers with another one-quarter (1/4) loop to level flight. <STRONG>Direction of rolls and stall turns are pilot’s option.</STRONG> The length of the vertical segments is not a judging criteria. </FONT></P>
<P align=left><FONT face=TimesNewRoman size=2>Downgrades:<BR><B><FONT face=TimesNewRoman,Bold size=2>1. </B></FONT><FONT face=TimesNewRoman size=2>Model not vertical at start and finish of rolls and stall turns.<BR></FONT><B><FONT face=TimesNewRoman,Bold size=2>2. </B></FONT><FONT face=TimesNewRoman size=2>Stall turns not exactly 180 degrees. <BR></FONT><B><FONT face=TimesNewRoman,Bold size=2>3. </B></FONT><FONT face=TimesNewRoman size=2>Model does not execute prescribed rolls.<BR></FONT><B><FONT face=TimesNewRoman,Bold size=2>4. </B></FONT><FONT face=TimesNewRoman size=2>Rolls not centered in vertical lines.<BR></FONT><B><FONT face=TimesNewRoman,Bold size=2>5. </B></FONT><FONT face=TimesNewRoman size=2>Bottom of outside half loop not at same altitude as entry and exit.<BR>=-=-=-=-=-</P></FONT></FONT>
<P class=MsoNormal><STRONG>*****Here's the accepted rules proposal wording</STRONG>: Edit page 79-80 Figure M with ¼ or ½ rolls” to include ¾ roll options.</P>
<P class=MsoNormal>Edit “Figure M with ¼ or ½ rolls”.</P>
<P class=MsoNormal>Replace with “Figure M with or without rolls”.</P>
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<DIV></DIV>From: <I>Mark Atwood <atwoodm@paragon-inc.com></I><BR>Reply-To: <I>NSRCA Mailing List <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org></I><BR>To: <I>NSRCA Mailing List <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org></I><BR>Subject: <I>Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters 2007 Figure "M" question</I><BR>Date: <I>Tue, 17 Oct 2006 12:32:33 -0400</I><BR>>Well...I'm not sure how the maneuver is written for '07, but you can get the<BR>>correct orientation as long as you roll the same direction both up and<BR>>down...the first leg and last leg can be in different directions. We used<BR>>to do it so you could see the top of the plane during both stalls. So...left<BR>>left / right right, or the opposite.<BR>><BR>>This is /was the defining maneuver of the pattern...lots of elements to<BR>>downgrade and very
difficult to ace with any type of wind, cross or<BR>>otherwise.<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>On 10/17/06 12:18 PM, "Archie Stafford" <rcpattern@stx.rr.com> wrote:<BR>><BR>> > I thought all 4 rolls had to be the same direction. If you roll right for<BR>> > the first 2 you have to roll right for the last two.<BR>> ><BR>> > -----Original Message-----<BR>> > From: nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org<BR>> > [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of<BR>> > jivey61@bellsouth.net<BR>> > Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 11:12 AM<BR>> > To: NSRCA Mailing List<BR>> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters 2007 Figure "M" question<BR>> ><BR>> > Bob<BR>> > My memory crutch is,when flying from left to right, the 1st 2 roll<BR>> > directions are
left-left and 2nd 2 roll directions are right-right.<BR>> > When flying from the right to left,the 1st 2 roll directions are right-right<BR>> > and 2nd 2 roll directions are left-left.<BR>> > Like Arch said the center half loop is inverted in both cases.<BR>> > Lotsa a upside down.<BR>> ><BR>> > Jim Ivey<BR>> ><BR>> > ----- Original Message -----<BR>> > From: "Archie Stafford" <rcpattern@stx.rr.com><BR>> > To: "'NSRCA Mailing List'" <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><BR>> > Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 11:11 AM<BR>> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters 2007 Figure "M" question<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> >> Bob,<BR>> >><BR>> >> It has to be inverted. The direction of roll must be the same on every<BR>> > 3/4<BR>> >> roll therefore
you end up inverted across the middle.<BR>> >><BR>> >> Arch<BR>> >><BR>> >> -----Original Message-----<BR>> >> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org<BR>> >> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Bob Kane<BR>> >> Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 9:53 AM<BR>> >> To: nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<BR>> >> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters 2007 Figure "M" question<BR>> >><BR>> >> OK, I'm finally try to fly this thing with a pencil . . . . . . one<BR>> >> question I have (so far) is the 1/2 loop between the two stall turns in<BR>> > the<BR>> >> figure M: Does it matter if it is an inside or outside half loop? The<BR>> >> aresti diagram posted on Flying Giants shows it as an outside half
loop<BR>> > with<BR>> >> no option. Thanks.<BR>> >><BR>> >> Bob Kane<BR>> >> getterflash@yahoo.com<BR>> >><BR>> >><BR>> >><BR>> >> _______________________________________________<BR>> >> NSRCA-discussion mailing list<BR>> >> NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<BR>> >> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion<BR>> >><BR>> >> _______________________________________________<BR>> >> NSRCA-discussion mailing list<BR>> >> NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<BR>> >> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion<BR>> ><BR>> > _______________________________________________<BR>> > NSRCA-discussion mailing list<BR>> > NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<BR>> >
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