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<P>great catch, ed - thanks. </P>
<P>Rule book and approved change proposals had words SAYING the roll and stall turn direction are pilot option. </P>
<P>Words came before Aresti?</P>
<P>Seems clear to me... <BR><BR></P></DIV>
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<DIV></DIV>From: <I>"Ed Alt" <ed_alt@hotmail.com></I><BR>Reply-To: <I>NSRCA Mailing List <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org></I><BR>To: <I>nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</I><BR>Subject: <I>Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters 2007 Figure "M" question</I><BR>Date: <I>Tue, 17 Oct 2006 13:50:11 -0400</I><BR>>Aresti does show roll direction by which direction the curved arrow <BR>>is pointed, so CW is a roll right, CCW is left. When using these <BR>>diagrams in IMAC, we were always told that if there is a conflict <BR>>between what is written in English vs. the Aresti, the Aresti will <BR>>win out, unless it is improperly drawn (illegal figure for example). <BR>> I'm not saying that this automatically means that the sequence as <BR>>drawn should supercede the actual intent of how the
figure is to be <BR>>flown. My suggestion is to sort of the real intent and then correct <BR>>the diagarm and description verbage, whichever may be necessary.<BR>><BR>>Ed<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>>From: "Rick Wallace" <rickwallace45@hotmail.com><BR>>>Reply-To: NSRCA Mailing List <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><BR>>>To: nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<BR>>>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters 2007 Figure "M" question<BR>>>Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 13:18:42 -0400<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>Jerry, Bob -<BR>>><BR>>>this discussion may show one of the problems w/ Aresti notation - <BR>>>not sure since I'm an Aresti novice.<BR>>><BR>>>The rule book description of the Figure M specifically says the <BR>>>roll direction and stall turn direction don't matter... Aresti
may <BR>>>not be capable of showing those options // is Aresti just schematic <BR>>>rather than definitive on roll / stall turn direction??<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>Rick<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>From: Bob Kane <getterflash@yahoo.com><BR>>>Reply-To: NSRCA Mailing List <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><BR>>>To: NSRCA Mailing List <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><BR>>>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters 2007 Figure "M" question<BR>>>Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 10:01:45 -0700 (PDT)<BR>>> >Wow, this is more complicated than I anticipated. Do you have to <BR>>>roll the same way for each stall turn? Or can you reverse <BR>>>directions to show the canopy during each stall?<BR>>>
><BR>>> >For example, flying left to right as shown on the aresti, pull <BR>>>1/4 loop, short line, roll 3/4 left (canopy toward flightline), <BR>>>short line, stall toward the right, short line, roll 3/4 left, <BR>>>short line, push 1/2 outside loop, short line, roll 3/4 right <BR>>>(canopy faces flight line), short line,<BR>>>stall towerd the right, short line, 3/4 roll right, short line, <BR>>>pull 1/4 loop.<BR>>> ><BR>>> >Bob Kane<BR>>> >getterflash@yahoo.com<BR>>> ><BR>>> ><BR>>> >----- Original Message ----<BR>>> >From: "jivey61@bellsouth.net" <jivey61@bellsouth.net><BR>>> >To: NSRCA Mailing List <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><BR>>> >Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 12:45:56 PM<BR>>> >Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters 2007
Figure "M" question<BR>>> ><BR>>> ><BR>>> >Jerry<BR>>> >I looked again at the aresti and I think you are right.The aresti <BR>>>shows<BR>>> >both upline rolls in the same direction.That would let you see <BR>>>the top one<BR>>> >time and bottom the other time.<BR>>> >My mistake Bob so much for crutches.<BR>>> ><BR>>> ><BR>>> ><BR>>> >_______________________________________________<BR>>> >NSRCA-discussion mailing list<BR>>> >NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<BR>>> >http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion<BR>>><BR>>><BR>><BR>><BR>>>_______________________________________________<BR>>>NSRCA-discussion mailing list<BR>>>NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<BR>>>http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion<BR>><BR>><BR>
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