<HTML><BODY style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; "><BR><DIV><DIV>On Oct 17, 2006, at 7:29 PM, Amir Neshati wrote:</DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"> <DIV dir="ltr" align="left"><SPAN class="281132623-17102006"><FONT face="Arial">.......just wondering, is Gray is short for Grayceful?<BR></FONT></SPAN></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV>I was wondering too. And is Fowler long for Flap?</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Ron Van Putte</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><BR> <DIV class="OutlookMessageHeader" lang="en-us" dir="ltr" align="left"> <HR tabindex="-1"> <FONT face="Tahoma" size="2"><B>From:</B> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org [<A href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A>] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Gray E Fowler<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, October 17, 2006 3:51 PM<BR><B>To:</B> NSRCA Mailing List<BR><B>Subject:</B> [NSRCA-discussion] The true meaning of S&G-trust me....I know<BR></FONT><BR></DIV> <DIV></DIV><BR><FONT face="sans-serif" size="2">S and G equal or implies slow and better control????? Once again this is read between the lines, then say it enough and it gotta be right ...right. If you, a Masters pilot told a whole generation of Sportsman pilots that even though the rules say NOTHING about how fast a roll is, a proper roll is slow =S&G then when they are Masters they will spew the same BS. I think thats what we have here. To me, a crisp roll that starts and stops at the proper points is harder to do, and thus shows more control, but regardless I score it exactly the same as a slower roll that starts and stops at the proper point..all other things equal- and I do beleive thats what the rules say.</FONT> <BR><BR><FONT face="sans-serif" size="2">For those that want to imply the S&G is a main scoring point I think you as a person are missing some kind of "romance" in your life and are trying to apply it to a bunch of toy airplanes....Some how showing your belly is not a romantic as showing your top....which under some circumstances I would agree with but not on an airplane.</FONT> <BR><BR><FONT face="sans-serif" size="2">Smooth means do not be jerky...speed has nothing to do with it. If you go too fast then you MIGHT get jerky. If you as a judge, are downgrading a manuever because it is faster than what you think it should be, and you do not have a true recordable downgrade then you are damaging Pattern. If you EVER tell a Sportsman or Intermediate such drivel the you are damaging Pattern.</FONT> <BR><FONT face="sans-serif" size="2">Graceful means God knows what and hence the problem here-Wait....Graceful applies to the judge, which means do not be an Icehole by applying non written rules.</FONT> <BR><BR><FONT face="sans-serif" size="2">By the way, in my opinion, ALL of my posts are extremly GRACEFUL. If you disagree, you are just plain wrong, I know, I am a Master Poster.</FONT> <BR><FONT face="sans-serif" size="2"><BR><BR><BR>Gray Fowler<BR>Senior Principal Chemical Engineer<BR>Radome and Composites Engineering<BR>Raytheon</FONT> <BR><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">_______________________________________________</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">NSRCA-discussion mailing list</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><A href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><A href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</A></DIV> </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR></BODY></HTML>