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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>No no no we went through this months ago. Troy and
the rest of the sequence group chimed in and told us the answer. You guys that
have questions need to get a rule book and read it. The changes to the rule book
are at the link below. These descriptions will tell you what it looks like. The
Aresti that was posted on the FG site will show you a picture of what it loops
like. In the Description is says replace the 1/2 roll with a 2/4pt roll.
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2>Split S and Immelmann type figures
always have the roll elements followed immediately after of before the loop
segment same as bunt elements. The 2 of 4 pt roll ends when its wings hit level
Just like the 1 of 2pt roll that we call a 1/2 roll.</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2>When the wings hit level after the
second rolling portion of the 2/4pt the model must immediately begin to loop.
This is not a 2/4pt roll added to a 1/2 loop its says Split S with 2/4pt roll .
There is no equal length line segment to match up. When a guy does a 4pt roll.
the elements are </FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><<<straight line
entry</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2>roll</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2>pause on knife</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2>roll</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2>pause on inverted</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2>roll</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2>pause on knife</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2>roll</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2>straight line exit.
>>></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2>Otherwise the center of the 4pt roll
would not be the middle of the inverted position. If you look the exact middle
of these elements is the middle of the inverted hesitation or pause. Think about
it...its a roll right so the roll elements are what is important not the
hesitations. Yes the hesitations have to be the same but there is not hesitation
after the last roll element.</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2>Definition from the rule book
is:</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: TimesNewRoman,Bold; mso-bidi-font-family: 'TimesNewRoman,Bold'">Four-Point
Roll. </SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: TimesNewRoman; mso-bidi-font-family: TimesNewRoman">Model
rolls through 360 degrees, hesitating at each 90 degree point; at each
hesitation wings are parallel or vertical to the horizon. Center is middle of
inverted flight. Downgrades:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: TimesNewRoman,Bold; mso-bidi-font-family: 'TimesNewRoman,Bold'"><SPAN
style="mso-tab-count: 1">
</SPAN>1. </SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: TimesNewRoman; mso-bidi-font-family: TimesNewRoman">One-quarter
rolls more or less <SPAN
style="mso-tab-count: 1">
</SPAN>than 90 degrees.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: TimesNewRoman,Bold; mso-bidi-font-family: 'TimesNewRoman,Bold'"><SPAN
style="mso-tab-count: 1">
</SPAN>2. </SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: TimesNewRoman; mso-bidi-font-family: TimesNewRoman">Model
does not hesitate after <SPAN
style="mso-tab-count: 1">
</SPAN>each one-quarter roll.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: TimesNewRoman,Bold; mso-bidi-font-family: 'TimesNewRoman,Bold'"><SPAN
style="mso-tab-count: 1">
</SPAN>3. </SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: TimesNewRoman; mso-bidi-font-family: TimesNewRoman">Roll
rate not constant.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: TimesNewRoman,Bold; mso-bidi-font-family: 'TimesNewRoman,Bold'"><SPAN
style="mso-tab-count: 1">
</SPAN>4. </SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: TimesNewRoman; mso-bidi-font-family: TimesNewRoman">Changes
in altitude.</SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: TimesNewRoman,Bold; mso-bidi-font-family: 'TimesNewRoman,Bold'"><SPAN
style="mso-tab-count: 1">
</SPAN>5. </SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: TimesNewRoman; mso-bidi-font-family: TimesNewRoman">Changes
in heading.</SPAN></P>
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style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: TimesNewRoman; mso-bidi-font-family: TimesNewRoman"></SPAN> </P>
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style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: TimesNewRoman; mso-bidi-font-family: TimesNewRoman"></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: TimesNewRoman; mso-bidi-font-family: TimesNewRoman"><FONT
face=Arial><FONT size=2>Read this carefully model rolls through 360
degrees.....So when its completed its 360 its done add the exit line and go to
the next maneuver in the sequence. There are only 3 hesitations but there are
(4) 90 degree roll elements. Thus a 4pt roll.</FONT></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </P></P></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>On a normal split S the roll element is completed
when the wings hit level this is a 1 of 2pt roll correct for short we call
it a 1/2 roll?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>In this case its a 2/4 roll. The roll sections
define the type of roll not the pause sections. This is the same as with 4pts
8pts and 1/2 rolls. The roll sections determine what kind of roll and these roll
portions are the important part not the hesitations.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><A
href="http://www.nsrca.org/competition/judging/Patterns2007.htm">http://www.nsrca.org/competition/judging/Patterns2007.htm</A></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Wayne</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=shan@telus.net href="mailto:shan@telus.net">Amar Shan</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">'NSRCA Mailing List'</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, October 06, 2006 9:30
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2007
Master turnaround question</DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=442372904-07102006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>To
have a 2/4, you need to have two line segments of equal length (obviously with
a roll in-between!) Once the second line segment has been completed, the
loop begins immediately. Does this answer your
question?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=442372904-07102006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=442372904-07102006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Amar</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> <A
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A>
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Stuart
Chale<BR><B>Sent:</B> October 6, 2006 4:23 PM<BR><B>To:</B> 'NSRCA Mailing
List'<BR><B>Subject:</B> [NSRCA-discussion] 2007 Master turnaround
question<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">In the new schedule
for masters is a split S with a 2/4 before the half loop.
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Question is the
half loop right after the second roll or is the second point defined before
the loop?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Stuart<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
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