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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Thanks for the clarification. I did read
the page referenced but didn’t find the answer except downgrades the same
as a split S. I wasn’t sure how to interpret the 2/4 as to if it had a
line segment after the second roll or not. Obvious others weren’t sure either.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Stuart<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b><st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Wayne</st1:place></st1:City><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Saturday, October 07, 2006
1:10 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> shan@telus.net; <st1:PersonName
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
2007 Master turnaround question</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>No no no we went through this months ago. <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Troy</st1:place></st1:City> and the rest of the sequence group
chimed in and told us the answer. You guys that have questions need to get a
rule book and read it. The changes to the rule book are at the link below.
These descriptions will tell you what it looks like. The Aresti that was posted
on the FG site will show you a picture of what it loops like. In the
Description is says replace the 1/2 roll with a 2/4pt roll. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Split S and Immelmann type figures always have the roll
elements followed immediately after of before the loop segment same as bunt
elements. The 2 of 4 pt roll ends when its wings hit level Just like the 1 of
2pt roll that we call a 1/2 roll.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>When the wings hit level after the second rolling portion of
the 2/4pt the model must immediately begin to loop. This is not a 2/4pt roll
added to a 1/2 loop its says Split S with 2/4pt roll . There is no equal length
line segment to match up. When a guy does a 4pt roll. the elements are </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><<<straight line entry</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>roll</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>pause on knife</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>roll</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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font-family:Arial'>pause on inverted</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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font-family:Arial'>roll</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>pause on knife</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>roll</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>straight line exit. >>></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Otherwise the center of the 4pt roll would not be the middle
of the inverted position. If you look the exact middle of these elements is the
middle of the inverted hesitation or pause. Think about it...its a roll right
so the roll elements are what is important not the hesitations. Yes the
hesitations have to be the same but there is not hesitation after the last roll
element.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Definition from the rule book is:</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-align:justify'><b><font size=3 face=Bold><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Bold;font-weight:bold'>Four-Point Roll. </span></font></b><font
face=TimesNewRoman><span style='font-family:TimesNewRoman'>Model rolls through
360 degrees, hesitating at each 90 degree point; at each hesitation wings are
parallel or vertical to the horizon. Center is middle of inverted flight.
Downgrades:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-align:justify'><b><font size=3
face=TimesNewRoman><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:TimesNewRoman;
font-weight:bold'> 1. </span></font></b><font face=TimesNewRoman><span
style='font-family:TimesNewRoman'>One-quarter rolls more or less than
90 degrees.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-align:justify'><b><font size=3
face=TimesNewRoman><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:TimesNewRoman;
font-weight:bold'> 2. </span></font></b><font face=TimesNewRoman><span
style='font-family:TimesNewRoman'>Model does not hesitate after each
one-quarter roll.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-align:justify'><b><font size=3
face=TimesNewRoman><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:TimesNewRoman;
font-weight:bold'> 3. </span></font></b><font face=TimesNewRoman><span
style='font-family:TimesNewRoman'>Roll rate not constant.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-align:justify'><b><font size=3
face=TimesNewRoman><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:TimesNewRoman;
font-weight:bold'> 4. </span></font></b><font face=TimesNewRoman><span
style='font-family:TimesNewRoman'>Changes in altitude.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-align:justify'><b><font size=3
face=TimesNewRoman><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:TimesNewRoman;
font-weight:bold'> 5. </span></font></b><font face=TimesNewRoman><span
style='font-family:TimesNewRoman'>Changes in heading.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='text-align:justify'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Read this carefully model rolls
through 360 degrees.....So when its completed its 360 its done add the exit
line and go to the next maneuver in the sequence. There are only 3 hesitations
but there are (4) 90 degree roll elements. Thus a 4pt roll.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>On a normal split S the roll element is completed when the
wings hit level this is a 1 of 2pt roll correct for short we call it a
1/2 roll?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>In this case its a 2/4 roll. The roll sections define the
type of roll not the pause sections. This is the same as with 4pts 8pts and 1/2
rolls. The roll sections determine what kind of roll and these roll portions
are the important part not the hesitations.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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font-family:Arial'><a
href="http://www.nsrca.org/competition/judging/Patterns2007.htm">http://www.nsrca.org/competition/judging/Patterns2007.htm</a></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on"><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Wayne</span></font></st1:place></st1:City><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:#E4E4E4'><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:shan@telus.net" title="shan@telus.net">Amar Shan</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Friday, October
06, 2006 9:30 PM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] 2007 Master turnaround question<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>To have a 2/4, you need to have two line
segments of equal length (obviously with a roll in-between!) Once the
second line segment has been completed, the loop begins immediately. Does
this answer your question?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Amar</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> <a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]<b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Stuart Chale<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> October 6, 2006 4:23 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> '<st1:PersonName w:st="on">NSRCA
Mailing List</st1:PersonName>'<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [NSRCA-discussion] 2007
Master turnaround question</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>In the new schedule for masters is a split
S with a 2/4 before the half loop. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Question is the half loop right after the
second roll or is the second point defined before the loop?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Stuart<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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