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<DIV><FONT size=2>Looks like:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>If the pilot has a backup plane... since he is allowed to
finish the sequence with the backup... an actual midair is an
uncontestable reason to be allowed to finish a round that was interrupted. (I
haven't seen that persued.)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Judges and CD discretion basicly on allowing resuming or
reflying after a near miss...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>For scoring... its more clear about what happens if you
do collide than if you don't</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>I do agree that the way THESE SECTIONS read... the pilot
essentially has to declair an unsafe conditon, that is not an equipment
failure in his model, and LAND; then request the refly of the rest of his
sequence. (going by the letter of the rules quoted
below) </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>********</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Midairs are inherantly unsafe conditions.... You can
never really be sure which way any particular portion of either plane will
go. That makes a potential mid-air an unsafe condition.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Its going to cause quite a commotion if someone declairs
"Avoiding midair! Landing!" then walks directly to the CD to request
reflight. (completion of the sequence) But thats the "letter of the
law" proceedure if I am reading it correctly...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>I could easilly see just letting the contestant do a maneuver
off-center, or outside the box, without penalty if commencement delay was to
avoid pulling (or pushing) into a mid-air. So if you do that...
holler. "avoiding!" or something similar... It can't hurt. (especially
if the judges see the potential for mid-air) That makes just as much sense
as offsetting center to avoid flying through the sun, which I have
seen allowed. off-center downgrade isn't awful.... better than a
zero. Outside box though... zero IIRC. (protestable possibly... if
its for mid-air avoidance)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>*I* would go along with avoiding, then doing a
"double immelman without rolls" (elongated loop) to reposition and complete
the sequence, after a mid-air avoidance... If I was in the judge's
seat (and I agreed it was a mid-air avoidance) Holler about avoiding...
announce the repositioning maneuver... go on. I'd be likely to say: "OK...
thanks for flying safely!"</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>If you do a repositioning maneuver then finish, you'll
have caused less interruption than landing and asking for a
reflight... You may need to protest 0's on the maneuver following the
reposition... (If I remember the penalty for sticking an extra maneuver into the
schedule) But... you'd have been zeroed for the avoidance anyway if the
judges don't agree the maneuver being mis-flown was for avoidance. (or
potentially lost a $350 Sportsman to $5000+ FAI model by not
avoiding.)</FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2> Making allowances in judging to prevent mid-airs just
makes sense. (or to prevent temproary blindness of pilot, caller and
judges, in cases of offset for the sun) </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>We already allow an extra lap or two of the
field prior to landing to give time for the runway to clear when someone
else is taking off or landing... allowing an inserted loop, or some other
offset, to avoid a mid-air makes sense to me.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>*************</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>(pasted from a subsequent e-mail)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>All-in-all, I think it's probably not a real effective rule to adopt.
I'm <BR>not sure that following the "If it saves just ONE airplane, it's worth
it" <BR>line of thinking is good for competition. Maybe it is better left
to CD's <BR>as to whether they want to make this a standard practice at their
contests. <BR>That would be my suggestion anyway - if the locals think
this is the way to <BR>go and can encourage CD's to make it standard practic
through a rules waiver <BR>for the sanctioned event, then go for
it.<BR><BR>Ed</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>*******</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>I see Ed's point... I hope that we don't need to change
the rules to encourage mid-air avoidance... and we can just try to be
reasonable about when a pilot declairs he's avoiding a mid-air.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Avoiding a mid-air is not something that should excessively
disrupt the flight, or cause a scoring problem if we are reasonable. But
its very hard to codify "reasonable"....</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>******</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>I wonder what the rules would say if a judge instructed the
pilot to hold level then insert a maneuver to get back in position for
mid-air avoidance.... Can the judge do that? Can a judge say "TURN
LEFT NOW!"? (LIke an Air traffic controller could to a full scale
aicraft...)</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=jh102649@speakeasy.net href="mailto:jh102649@speakeasy.net">Jeff
Hill</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, October 05, 2006 12:11
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [NSRCA-discussion]
Avoidance</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=2><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 10px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span
face=Arial>All -</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 10px"><BR
class=khtml-block-placeholder></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 10px">Below is the rule from the
AMA 2005 Competition Rulebook. IMHO it requires you to interrupt the maneuver
and not fly any subsequent maneuvers--otherwise they are scored. In this case
it appears the CD would have to make a ruling. In actual practice the CD would
probably rely on the judges' opinions for guidance. This would most likely
mean that you would have to bail and land and wait for the CD to rule. If you
bailed and your request was denied then you cannot complete the flight;
whereas if you ruin one maneuver and complete the flight the rest of the
flight is scored but you lose your right to appeal. </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 10px"><BR
class=khtml-block-placeholder></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 10px">In 2007 a new rule, 6.8, might
also be used as grounds for a reflight. </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 10px"><BR
class=khtml-block-placeholder></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 10px">Both rules are printed
below. </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 10px"><BR
class=khtml-block-placeholder></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 10px">Jeff Hill</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 10px"><BR
class=khtml-block-placeholder></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span face=Times size=2><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 10px"><B>10.2.
</B></SPAN></FONT><FONT class=Apple-style-span face=Times size=2><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 10px">Each competitor is entitled to
one (1)</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span face=Times size=2><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 10px">attempt for each official
flight. An attempt may be</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span face=Times size=2><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 10px">repeated at the judges’
discretion only if, for some</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span face=Times size=2><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 10px">unforeseen reason, the model
fails to make a start</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span face=Times size=2><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 10px">(i.e., safety delay due to
other aircraft traffic, etc.).</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span face=Times size=2><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 10px">Similarly, an attempt may be
repeated at the discretion</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span face=Times size=2><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 10px">of the Contest Director if it
has been interrupted</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span face=Times size=2><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 10px">due to a circumstance beyond
the control of the competitor,</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span face=Times size=2><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 10px">but only the maneuver affected
and the</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span face=Times size=2><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 10px">unscored maneuvers that follow
will be scored. The</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span face=Times size=2><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 10px">Contest Director shall have
sole discretionary authority</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span face=Times size=2><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 10px">to grant a single repeat
attempt, if, in his/her opinion,</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span face=Times size=2><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 10px">the competitor has encountered
radio interference</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span face=Times size=2><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 10px">during the course of an
official attempt.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span face=Times size=2><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 10px">• </SPAN></FONT><FONT
class=Apple-style-span face=Times size=2><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 10px"><B>10.3. </B></SPAN></FONT><FONT
class=Apple-style-span face=Times size=2><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 10px">In the case of a collision during
a</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span face=Times size=2><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 10px">Pattern flight, the contestants
must immediately</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span face=Times size=2><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 10px">recover their aircraft. They
may resume their flights</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span face=Times size=2><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 10px">with the same aircraft if the
aircraft are judged to be</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span face=Times size=2><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 10px">airworthy or with a backup or
repaired aircraft. They</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span face=Times size=2><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 10px">will begin with the maneuver
that was in progress or</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span face=Times size=2><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 10px">with the next scheduled
maneuver if the collision</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span face=Times size=2><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 10px">occurred between maneuvers. The
previously</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span face=Times size=2><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 10px">defined starting times will
apply for a resumed flight</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span face=Times size=2><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 10px">and the contestant will be
allowed no more than two</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span face=Times size=2><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 10px">(2) passes in front of the
judges for the purpose of</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span face=Times size=2><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 10px">trimming the plane. Scores of
the previous maneuvers</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span face=Times size=2><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 10px">will be added to the scores of
subsequent</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span face=Times size=2><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 10px">maneuvers in the resumed
flight. The flight must be</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span face=Times size=2><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 10px">completed by the end of the
round being flown, or</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span face=Times size=2><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 10px">within a time frame designated
by the CD.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span face=Times size=2><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 10px"><B><BR
class=khtml-block-placeholder></B></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span face=Times size=2><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 10px"><BR
class=khtml-block-placeholder></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span face="Times New Roman"
size=4><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 16px">6.8 The contestant
may ask the CD for a flight delay or reflight due to unsafe conditions; if the
judges concur the delay or reflight must be granted. However, the
contestant’s won aircraft cannot be the cause of the unsafe condition. A
contestant’s own aircraft can only have an equipment malfunction. A
flight delay or reflight shall not be granted for equipment malfunctions at 4A
and 5A contests. The CD may make exceptions at other
contests.</SPAN></FONT><FONT class=Apple-style-span face=Times size=2><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 10px"></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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