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<DIV><FONT size=2>Cool beans <VBG></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>Now to educate the pilots and judges that midairs are a big
downgrade (with a price tag)... avoiding them isn't.</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=vanputte@cox.net href="mailto:vanputte@cox.net">Ron Van Putte</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, October 04, 2006 10:40
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Avoidance</DIV>
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<DIV>On Oct 4, 2006, at 9:52 PM, Fred Huber wrote:</DIV><BR
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<DIV><FONT size=2>So if your memory is correct (and I hope it is)... we
already have a rule that works to give someone the option to evade the
potential mid-air... reposition, refly the interrupted maneuver and go on...
no downgrade.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>That would mean its just a matter of educating the judges
and the pilots<BR></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV><BR class=khtml-block-placeholder></DIV>I went to the current AMA
competition regulations for R/C aerobatics and what I said is repeated
virtually word-for-word in paragraph 10.2. </DIV>
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<DIV>Ron Van Putte</DIV>
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<A title=vanputte@cox.net href="mailto:vanputte@cox.net">Ron Van Putte</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, October 04, 2006
4:21 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Avoidance</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>This is a 'sticky' area that requires
a good CD. The rules state (this is from memory) that a contestant
has the option to repeat an attempt, if his flight is interrupted due to
circumstances beyond his control, but only for the maneuver affected and
subsequent maneuvers. I think that, in avoiding a midair collision,
the pilot shows some, but not complete control in the situation and the
rules still warrants his being allowed to continue the flight, starting
with the affected maneuver. </DIV>
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<DIV>Ron Van Putte</DIV>
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<DIV>(rearranged for clarity of who's comment I am referring
to...)<BR></DIV>
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<DIV>On Oct 23, 2006, at 2:52 PM, Jay Marshall wrote:</DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I asked this
question of a CD once, and also some judges, and was told that there
was no escaping a downgrade if you took action to avoid a possible
midair. Pilots are also intensely concentrated on their own aircraft
and may not see another until it is too late to make a decision on
which way to jump. This is why I advocate flying slightly intersecting
tracks, say 10 – 20 degrees, rather than parallel tracks at
contests.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
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Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> <A
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<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Bob
Richards<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B>
Wednesday, October 04, 2006 3:11 PM<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> NSRCA Mailing List<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Avoidance</SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Fred,<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I agree
100%.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Bob
R.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><BR><BR><B><I><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-STYLE: italic">Fred Huber <<A
href="mailto:fhhuber@clearwire.net">fhhuber@clearwire.net</A>></SPAN></I></B>
wrote:<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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face="Times New Roman" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Problem
here is... one pilot may not see the other and the one who does see
the other may be the lower class pilot, who has had it ground in that
he MUST NOT DEVIATE.</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I've heard
discussions about close encounters... and what I hear is... "the
planes look closer to each other than they are"... "the higher class
is always further out"... "ignore the other
plane."</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">So... what
I keep hearing is exactly opposed to any attempt at avoidance for any
reason. Stick to your maneuver sequence at all
costs.</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">There is
no allowance given in the rules for mid-air avoidance... thus the way
it is now, whoever flinches can throw out his flight because he's
going to get a 0... or maybe a couple of zeros for blowing the
maneuver to avoid a mid-air. (unless the judges would deviate
and say "Avoid him and then refly the maneuver") You can bet that 99%+
will wait for the other guy to flinch, especially if they are having a
good flight.</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">So.. the
guy who might be willing to give up his score and avoid... may be the
one who doesn't see the mid-air comming and you have the other guy
fixated on score... expecting the other guy to get out of his way...
SMACK. So... maybe the pilot who saw it comming "desrrves it"..
does that make the other guy who didn't see it comming deserve
it? </SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Give the
pilots indication they won't be penlized for preventing 2 planes from
occupying the same place at the same time... and the guy who sees it
comming will be more willing to prevent the
collision.</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">As long as
you have 2 flight lines on the same field flying in essentially the
same box... you'll have mid-airs come up. Yes, USUALLY the
higher class pilot flys a bit further out and thus there's little
risk. But some lower class guys learn the box is bigger if you
fly further out... More time between maneuvers... less rush...
Easier to be smooth... And the rules even say you need to be out
that far.... (most Sportsman pilots fly a closer line than the
prescribed distance out... from what I have
observed)</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
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