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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Having had two mid-airs I try to keep my eye on
other planes and have definitely missed my geometry to avoid possible
collisions. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>In one case that comes to mind I didn't pull at
center for a triangle because a plane was right above me. I drew the line
noticeably past center until it was clear then made my pull and adjusted the
best I could. I know I made the correct decision, but I felt like shouting out
to the judges, "hey, I did that on purpose!". </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>It's a shame there isn't an allowance for such
things, on the other hand, immediately after my mid-airs I would have probably
been calling avoidance constantly as I was so gun shy. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Keith Black</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=trexlesh@msn.com href="mailto:trexlesh@msn.com">Rex LESHER</A> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, October 04, 2006 10:44
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Avoidance</DIV>
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<DIV>Guys, all this sounds really great.... except for one minor detail.
You have to see the other plane as Mike has just explained. Unless the
other plane is flying right by your plane, you probably won't even know it's
out there... Most of the time, your caller would have to yell at
you to pull or push, or some command to get you out of danger of a
collision. That's part of your caller's job descrition... "to
keep you out of potential trouble. My normal caller will let me
know as I fly, what's going on in relation to closeness of the apposing
aircraft. Always do what your caller tells you. Don't wait,
react... It might save you a bunch of money!</DIV>
<DIV> You are generally concentrating on your flight so hard, you don't
know anyone else exists.... If by chance you are seeing the other
plane, and avoidance is necessary, by all means do what you need to do.
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<DIV>At most local contests I've been part of, if the judges notice that
avoidance was necessary and you are out of position, they will
generally interupt you and ask if you want to circle around and refly, right
then and there.... This isn't and never has been a big deal. If it
doesn't go down this way, you have the option of appealing to the CD, who will
in turn question the judges on their perception of the incident and then
decide wether it is worthy of a reflight. When ever you have concerns
with how things are done at a contest, bring it up in the pilots
meeting... That's what it's for!!!!!</DIV>
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<DIV>Rex Lesher</DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>From:</B> <A
title=mailto:brian_w_young@yahoo.com
href="mailto:brian_w_young@yahoo.com">brian young</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, October 04, 2006 8:13
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Avoidance</DIV>
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<DIV>If Im close to someone I slow down or extend a turn or something to get
out of sequence with them, I take a look around when crossing the box for
landing and find the other guy if possible. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>When I have midaired with someone its always been from out of my field
of vision though, a where did that come from moment.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Its hard to see the whole sky, but harder to find a new pattern plane
on short notice. <BR><BR><B><I>mike mueller
<mups1953@yahoo.com></I></B> wrote:</DIV>
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Ed, you bring up a great point of discussion here. I say that blowing a
manuever to avoid a possible midair is a common sense no brainer. At the
local level this could be delt with by having a gentelemans agreement set
in place at the pilots meeting before the contest begins. We simply have
way too much at stake not to have this being done. Mike<BR><BR><B><I>Tommy
Scarmardo <tretas513@yahoo.com></I></B> wrote:
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<DIV>Ed,</DIV>
<DIV>Sounds like a great idea to me.</DIV>
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<DIV>Tommy S<BR><BR><B><I>Ed Deaver <divesplat@yahoo.com></I></B>
wrote:</DIV>
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<DIV>Now the ball is rolling on judging, I have another subject worth
discussion. Not sure it has been actually.</DIV>
<DIV>At N Dallas 2 weeks ago, a midair occurred. Here is the
scenario.</DIV>
<DIV>Both pilots were flying on the same track, but spread
apart. On an endbox manuever, both pulled vertical and both held
their nerve(to their credit) It appeared one plane was inside
the other. Suddenly plane #1 pulled to complete his 1/2 square
(which appeared inside plane #2) when #2 cut it in 1/2 and flew
through it.</DIV>
<DIV>My question is:</DIV>
<DIV>Can pattern effectively begin or have an "avoidance" rule.
These 2 planes were so close had one just pulled the power back a
little, let the other one go on, $6K would still be flying. I
realize some overzelous competitors would use this indescretionately,
but still we could write in some wording indicating judges had to
agree it was in the best interest of both pilots. As well no
change to distance out could occur (not making it a positioning
advantage)</DIV>
<DIV>Any thoughts on this one.</DIV>
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