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<DIV>Guys, all this sounds really great.... except for one minor detail.
You have to see the other plane as Mike has just explained. Unless the
other plane is flying right by your plane, you probably won't even know it's out
there... Most of the time, your caller would have to yell at you to
pull or push, or some command to get you out of danger of a
collision. That's part of your caller's job descrition... "to
keep you out of potential trouble. My normal caller will let me know
as I fly, what's going on in relation to closeness of the apposing
aircraft. Always do what your caller tells you. Don't wait,
react... It might save you a bunch of money!</DIV>
<DIV> You are generally concentrating on your flight so hard, you don't
know anyone else exists.... If by chance you are seeing the other
plane, and avoidance is necessary, by all means do what you need to do.
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<DIV>At most local contests I've been part of, if the judges notice that
avoidance was necessary and you are out of position, they will
generally interupt you and ask if you want to circle around and refly, right
then and there.... This isn't and never has been a big deal. If it
doesn't go down this way, you have the option of appealing to the CD, who will
in turn question the judges on their perception of the incident and then decide
wether it is worthy of a reflight. When ever you have concerns with how
things are done at a contest, bring it up in the pilots meeting... That's
what it's for!!!!!</DIV>
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<DIV>Rex Lesher</DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>From:</B> <A
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, October 04, 2006 8:13
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Avoidance</DIV>
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<DIV>If Im close to someone I slow down or extend a turn or something to get
out of sequence with them, I take a look around when crossing the box for
landing and find the other guy if possible. </DIV>
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<DIV>When I have midaired with someone its always been from out of my field of
vision though, a where did that come from moment.</DIV>
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<DIV>Its hard to see the whole sky, but harder to find a new pattern plane on
short notice. <BR><BR><B><I>mike mueller <mups1953@yahoo.com></I></B>
wrote:</DIV>
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Ed, you bring up a great point of discussion here. I say that blowing a
manuever to avoid a possible midair is a common sense no brainer. At the
local level this could be delt with by having a gentelemans agreement set in
place at the pilots meeting before the contest begins. We simply have way
too much at stake not to have this being done. Mike<BR><BR><B><I>Tommy
Scarmardo <tretas513@yahoo.com></I></B> wrote:
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<DIV>Ed,</DIV>
<DIV>Sounds like a great idea to me.</DIV>
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<DIV>Tommy S<BR><BR><B><I>Ed Deaver <divesplat@yahoo.com></I></B>
wrote:</DIV>
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<DIV>Now the ball is rolling on judging, I have another subject worth
discussion. Not sure it has been actually.</DIV>
<DIV>At N Dallas 2 weeks ago, a midair occurred. Here is the
scenario.</DIV>
<DIV>Both pilots were flying on the same track, but spread apart.
On an endbox manuever, both pulled vertical and both held their nerve(to
their credit) It appeared one plane was inside the other.
Suddenly plane #1 pulled to complete his 1/2 square (which appeared
inside plane #2) when #2 cut it in 1/2 and flew through it.</DIV>
<DIV>My question is:</DIV>
<DIV>Can pattern effectively begin or have an "avoidance" rule.
These 2 planes were so close had one just pulled the power back a
little, let the other one go on, $6K would still be flying. I
realize some overzelous competitors would use this indescretionately,
but still we could write in some wording indicating judges had to agree
it was in the best interest of both pilots. As well no change to
distance out could occur (not making it a positioning advantage)</DIV>
<DIV>Any thoughts on this one.</DIV>
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