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<DIV><FONT size=2>So if your memory is correct (and I hope it is)... we already
have a rule that works to give someone the option to evade the potential
mid-air... reposition, refly the interrupted maneuver and go on... no
downgrade.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>That would mean its just a matter of educating the judges and
the pilots </FONT></DIV>
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<A title=vanputte@cox.net href="mailto:vanputte@cox.net">Ron Van Putte</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, October 04, 2006 4:21
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Avoidance</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>This is a 'sticky' area that requires a
good CD. The rules state (this is from memory) that a contestant has the
option to repeat an attempt, if his flight is interrupted due to circumstances
beyond his control, but only for the maneuver affected and subsequent
maneuvers. I think that, in avoiding a midair collision, the pilot shows
some, but not complete control in the situation and the rules still warrants
his being allowed to continue the flight, starting with the affected
maneuver. </DIV>
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<DIV>Ron Van Putte</DIV>
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<DIV>(rearranged for clarity of who's comment I am referring to...)<BR></DIV>
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<DIV>On Oct 23, 2006, at 2:52 PM, Jay Marshall wrote:</DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I asked this
question of a CD once, and also some judges, and was told that there was
no escaping a downgrade if you took action to avoid a possible midair.
Pilots are also intensely concentrated on their own aircraft and may not
see another until it is too late to make a decision on which way to jump.
This is why I advocate flying slightly intersecting tracks, say 10 – 20
degrees, rather than parallel tracks at
contests.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
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nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org [<A
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<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Bob
Richards<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Wednesday,
October 04, 2006 3:11 PM<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> NSRCA Mailing List<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Avoidance</SPAN></FONT></P>
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size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I agree
100%.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Bob
R.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><BR><BR><B><I><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-STYLE: italic">Fred Huber <<A
href="mailto:fhhuber@clearwire.net">fhhuber@clearwire.net</A>></SPAN></I></B>
wrote:<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Problem here is... one pilot may not
see the other and the one who does see the other may be the lower class
pilot, who has had it ground in that he MUST NOT
DEVIATE.</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I've heard discussions about close
encounters... and what I hear is... "the planes look closer to each other
than they are"... "the higher class is always further out"... "ignore the
other plane."</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">So... what I keep hearing is exactly
opposed to any attempt at avoidance for any reason. Stick to your
maneuver sequence at all costs.</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">There is no allowance given in the
rules for mid-air avoidance... thus the way it is now, whoever flinches
can throw out his flight because he's going to get a 0... or maybe a
couple of zeros for blowing the maneuver to avoid a mid-air. (unless
the judges would deviate and say "Avoid him and then refly the maneuver")
You can bet that 99%+ will wait for the other guy to flinch, especially if
they are having a good flight.</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">So.. the guy who might be willing to
give up his score and avoid... may be the one who doesn't see the mid-air
comming and you have the other guy fixated on score... expecting the other
guy to get out of his way... SMACK. So... maybe the pilot who saw it
comming "desrrves it".. does that make the other guy who didn't see it
comming deserve it? </SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Give the pilots indication they won't
be penlized for preventing 2 planes from occupying the same place at the
same time... and the guy who sees it comming will be more willing to
prevent the collision.</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">As long as you have 2 flight lines on
the same field flying in essentially the same box... you'll have mid-airs
come up. Yes, USUALLY the higher class pilot flys a bit further out
and thus there's little risk. But some lower class guys learn the
box is bigger if you fly further out... More time between
maneuvers... less rush... Easier to be smooth... And the rules even
say you need to be out that far.... (most Sportsman pilots fly a closer
line than the prescribed distance out... from what I have
observed)</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
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