<div>Ed,</div> <div> </div> <div>Exactly what I did when I was having trouble with any maneuver(s). Of course, the first was takeoffs and landings. <grin> Touch and goes for several tanks. To this day, I love to sit down in a chair and shoot touch-n-goes with a trainer.</div> <div> </div> <div>Bob R.</div> <div><BR><BR><B><I>Ed Miller <edbon85@charter.net></I></B> wrote:</div> <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid"><BASE href="file://C:\Program Files\Common Files\Microsoft Shared\Stationery\"> <STYLE>BODY { MARGIN-TOP: 25px; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 10px; COLOR: #0033cc; FONT-FAMILY: Arial, Helvetica } </STYLE> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2900.2963" name=GENERATOR> <DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=3>John is right, practice is the key. Lately I was having a problem with the 1/4, 1/2, 1/4 and reverse knife edge in the Masters sequence. This past Sunday I burnt
3/4 gallon of fuel doing nothing but those 2 maneuvers in both directions. I found my problem, too early rudder input and too early releasing the rudder input. The guys at the field thought I was nuts but I NEEDED to know what I was doing wrong. Hopefully I've broken the bad habit I somehow acquired doing those maneuvers. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=3>Ed M.</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=jpavlick@idseng.com href="mailto:jpavlick@idseng.com">John Pavlick</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday,
October 02, 2006 8:14 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] If you don't score by the rules....don'tadvertise a rulebook event</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=560285323-02102006>Fred,</SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=560285323-02102006> Well the reason people were "quiet" is because there was nothing to protest or discuss. Takeoff and landing ARE scored 0 or 10 under the current rules. Don't worry, next year your exquisite takeoffs and landings will be fully appreciated. :) Now, look at the call sheet again. The maneuvers that count the most have a K of 2: "2 Inside Loops", "2-Point Roll", "STALL TURN", "Immelman" and the "Double Immelman". I would fix the problems with the stall-turn if I were you. The most effective way to improve your score is to polish up the hard maneuvers. If nothing else, it will make you a better pilot. That's really what this is all about.</SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN
class=560285323-02102006></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=560285323-02102006> <div><FONT size=2>John Pavlick<BR><A href="http://www.idseng.com/" target=_blank>http://www.idseng.com/</A><BR> </FONT> </div></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Tahoma><SPAN class=560285323-02102006></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Tahoma><SPAN class=560285323-02102006> </SPAN>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Fred Huber<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, October 02, 2006 12:46 PM<BR><B>To:</B> nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> [NSRCA-discussion] If you don't score by the rules.... don'tadvertise a rulebook event<BR><BR></DIV></FONT> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0033cc 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV>This has been annoying me for a long time....<BR><BR>At Sportsman level the K=1 takeoff and
landing scores can significantly <BR>affect the contest results.<BR><BR>The all too common practice of changing the rules at the last minute, to <BR>give Sportsman 0 or 10 on take-off and landing, is inappropriate. <BR>(Inappropriate to chane the scoring system for any maneuver at ANY level!) <BR>Of course all the higher level pilots will agree to it... it does not affect <BR>them. ANY ONE PILOT in Sportsman (or whatever other class is affected) <BR>contesting the change without it having been advertised as a rule <BR>modification in advance should prevent the change.<BR><BR>Yes, the takeoff and landing scoring is something that I think has affected <BR>my outcome at contests. I flew a plane that had a large problem with stall <BR>turns... with a 6 being a good result for that maneuver. Full opposed <BR>aileron wasn't enough to prevent the plane from rolling when rudder was <BR>applied. But I figured my quality of takeoff and landing would
more than <BR>make up for the poor stall turns, so I showed up for the contests. And <BR>every contest I showed up at... they on the spot said "Sportsman gets 0 or <BR>10 takeoff and landing" When all the marginal takeoffs of the other pilots <BR>in my class got 10's (Many deserved 5's... or 2's... and I was consistantly <BR>getting complimented on the smoothness of my takeoffs and landings.) it took <BR>away the ability for me to make up for my known problem with the stall turn.<BR><BR>Next contest I go to... if they decide to change the rules on the spot... I <BR>want my entry fee back. (applies to some other events I have been to <BR>also...)<BR>If they advertise in advance that the scoring won't be by rulebook... I <BR>won't show up.<BR><BR>I kept quiet about it (except discussing it with a couple of local flyers) <BR>when it occured. Too many much more accompished pilots were in favor of the <BR>change. IT HAD NO EFFECT ON THEM!
They shouldn't have been part of the <BR>discussion at all.<BR><BR>You want to change a rule that affects only one class at the pilots' meeting <BR>before the first flight... ANY ONE PILOT in that class opposing the change <BR>prevents it. And pilots in other classes have no vote.<BR><BR>If the wind is too much for the pilot to think he wants to risk getting a <BR>bad score on takeoff and landing... maybe its too much wind for that pilot <BR>to bother making a takeoff. All of the other pilots in the class will be <BR>dealing with the same wind. It has just as much chance of preventing them <BR>from getting a 10.<BR><BR>Any contest that decides to give Sportsman 0 or 10 for takeoff or landing <BR>should list it as non-rulebook in advance. If you are going to do the <BR>2-passes through the sequence without the full stop landing and another <BR>takeoff... you need to advertise that too.<BR><BR>I oppose the flying of 2 "flights" of Sportsman with one
takeoff and one <BR>landing... The takeoff and landing are scored maneuvers, suppposed to be <BR>able to get a score other than 0 or 10, therefore cutting half of the <BR>opportunities to do well or poorly on them is changing the scoring vs the <BR>rulebook. (see above... I moved this paragraph due to changes in the below <BR>from the original version)<BR><BR>Also... the Sportsman sequence is relatively short for a reason. This is an <BR>introductory class. The contestants are not used to competing... not used <BR>to getting judged. They need the ability to do one competition round... go <BR>back and talk with others about what they did right, what they did wrong and <BR>how to improve. They also need a bit of timne to RELAX between the scored <BR>flights.<BR><BR>Considering how nervous some people are in thier early competition rounds... <BR>its a wonder to me that a first time Sportsman level competitor ends up with <BR>thier airplane
in the air by the end of a second sequence within one flight.<BR><BR>The first contest someone flys in, they typically fly too close in, and <BR>because of this ALL maneuvers are extremely rushed. By the end of the <BR>flight some contestants are so frazzled that they have severe problems doing <BR>the double-immelman AT ALL. Then you want them to immedately turn around <BR>and run the sequence again? Why not just tell them to land at the judges <BR>feet so the judges can stomp on the model?<BR><BR>Thats not a formula to promote more participation... its a formula to scare <BR>off beginners. If the pilot is ready to run the sequence twice in a row FOR <BR>THE JUDGES.. they are probably ready to start working on Inermediate.<BR><BR>Most people I have seen move up from Sportsman, its been due to seeking the <BR>higher challenge of Intermediate... not due to getting the points forcing <BR>the move up. "Sandbagging" Sportsman is
rare.<BR><BR>Also... it is justifiable for someone competing at Sportsman to set up thier <BR>plane for one round flight durration. If they average 4 minutes to do a <BR>round... and put in a tank which gives 6 minute fuel supply, then the <BR>2-rounds in one flight is a guaranteed dead-stick before completion of the <BR>second round. Do you force Master's level pilots to carry enough fuel for 2 <BR>passes through the sequence? Would they tollerate that?<BR><BR>Forcing a competitor to carry the DEAD WEIGHT of the fuel for a second round <BR>through the first round is inappropriate. At Sportsman level... the type <BR>models which are competitive include models which would have severe CG <BR>change with the fuel depletion...<BR><BR>If you think a Sportsman competitor needs to be able to run 2 times through <BR>the sequence nonstop, you probably also think everyone needs to buy a $3000 <BR>plane, capable of flying the Masters sequence, in order to try
out <BR>Sportsman. Its totaly unnecessary, inappropriate and shuts out beginners.<BR><BR>FHH <BR></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE> <div> <HR> <div></div>_______________________________________________<BR>NSRCA-discussion mailing list<BR>NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<BR>http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</BLOCKQUOTE>_______________________________________________<BR>NSRCA-discussion mailing list<BR>NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<BR>http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>