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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=656560215-03102006><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>I've always heard, rightly or wrongly that in a 4 point roll to
stay on the point as long as it took you to get to the point. I've always done 4
points slow which does tend to drag them out. Where you start the roll tells me
how big and how long on the points if you center it.</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
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<FONT face=Tahoma><B>From:</B> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Steven
Maxwell<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, October 03, 2006 10:38 AM<BR><B>To:</B> NSRCA
Mailing List<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Impression or precision
judging?<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
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color=#000000>Chris I have seen way to many</FONT> <FONT color=#000000>flying
point rolls that don't have much if any stops, if I don't see a stop it is a
downgrade at best and I guess some would argue that it would be a zero but to me
missing a stop in an 8 point roll would be 2 or 3 points 45
dgrees off. Sense I flew in the 80's I took great pride in my point rolls
and I think it shows today, I have been told by many top pilots that my point
rolls are as good as they have seen, and yes I do miss points also at times but
there is no doubt that I stopped and that my points are at 45 degree to each
other. To me this is precision but also has a smooth and graceful element to
it.</FONT></SPAN></FONT></P>
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color=#000000>Steve Maxwell</FONT> </SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">An example of
impression that I can think of would be some of the point rolls that I used to
see in the 70s.the ones that kind of slip & lock into each point
(exaggerated lock in), but I could not score them better than points that merely
stop where they are supposed to with minimum fanfare..could I? (In fact since
one could argue that the roll rate changes to get that effect it could be
downgraded more..) But I like it, its an individual preference, but to
the letter of the law its incorrect.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<A title=chris@ssd.fsi.com href="mailto:chris@ssd.fsi.com">White, Chris</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To: </B><A
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> 10/3/2006 6:54:09 AM </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [NSRCA-discussion] Impression or
precision judging?</DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Id love to hear some
feedback to the following: (or maybe not, but it might help my understanding
of what were trying to accomplish in our judging/flying</SPAN></FONT><FONT
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings">J</SPAN></FONT><FONT
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Isnt clinical
precision flying the only way to attempt to remove impression judging?
Shouldnt the sequence itself if flown to precision be the art
form?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Example 1:
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I saw one pilot fly
the FAI sequence at our contest last June. To me his flying was clinically
precise without any Style of his own. I mean that very much as a
compliment. The roll rates and radiuses and speeds to me were very
consistent.his timing and flight line control were very Clinically
precise It struck me at that if a computer GPS link could have been
flown with an autopilot laying out the perfectly executed sequence he would
have been close. The nearly perfect geometry of the sequence spoke for
itself.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">An example of
impression that I can think of would be some of the point rolls that I used to
see in the 70s.the ones that kind of slip & lock into each point
(exaggerated lock in), but I could not score them better than points that
merely stop where they are supposed to with minimum fanfare..could I? (In
fact since one could argue that the roll rate changes to get that effect it
could be downgraded more..) But I like it, its an individual
preference, but to the letter of the law its
incorrect.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Maybe we should judge
by technical merit and each judge give an overall Impression rating
someplace on the scoresheet???<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">(Wow I spent all this
time trying to think of how to word this.Gee do I hit the send
button.?????? I hope this strikes a positive chord somewhereokay my
motive is to learn so Ill send it.)<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Chris
White<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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