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<DIV><FONT color=#000000>Fred, I've read all the replies to your objection
regarding T/O & Landing and the replies have hit the nail on the head.
Sometimes forcing pilots to score landings can become a hazard. At the Temple
contest Ed referred to there were damaged aircraft even after changing the
landing rule. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000>My question, however, is why would you skip an entire
year of fun just because you were unhappy with a decision that you didn't speak
up about? If you had said something you would have probably gotten a good
explanation and saved yourself a year of stewing. And why was it so
devastating to possibly drop a place or two in a Sportsman contest? After all,
we're here for fun and to improve, not for blood. It's not like we're at a
T-Ball championship where verbal taunting and fights are
common-place.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000>By and far the pattern crowd is the most laid back
group of competitors I've ever been around. </FONT><FONT color=#000000>Don't be
so up-tight and you'll find a bunch of guys with good hearts that are
willing to help you any way they can.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000>Keith Black</FONT></DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=fhhuber@clearwire.net href="mailto:fhhuber@clearwire.net">Fred
Huber</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, October 02, 2006 7:19
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] If you
don't score by therules....don't advertise a rulebook event</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#000000>This wasn't this year... I
didn't go to a contest this year partly because of the bad feeling left over
from the previous rules deviations... which were made at the pilots meeting
propr to the first flight... and I would have been the sole
opposition.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=verne@twmi.rr.com href="mailto:verne@twmi.rr.com">Verne Koester</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, October 02, 2006 4:53
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] If you
don't score by the rules....don't advertise a rulebook event</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=3>Fred,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=3>They WERE scoring by the rules at the
contests you attended this year. Under the current rules, takeoffs and
landings are scored EITHER 0 or 10 for all classes. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=3></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=3>Effective January 1, </FONT><FONT
color=#000000 size=3>2007, Takeoffs and landings will be FROM 0 to 10 in
half point increments for all AMA classes. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=3></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=3>You're right, deviations from the rule book
are supposed to be advertised in advance of the contest date.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=3></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=3>Verne Koester</FONT></DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=fhhuber@clearwire.com href="mailto:fhhuber@clearwire.com">Fred
Huber</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, October 02, 2006 12:45
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [NSRCA-discussion] If you
don't score by the rules.... don't advertise a rulebook event</DIV>
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<DIV>This has been annoying me for a long time....<BR><BR>At Sportsman
level the K=1 takeoff and landing scores can significantly <BR>affect the
contest results.<BR><BR>The all too common practice of changing the rules
at the last minute, to <BR>give Sportsman 0 or 10 on take-off and
landing, is inappropriate. <BR>(Inappropriate to chane the scoring
system for any maneuver at ANY level!) <BR>Of course all the higher level
pilots will agree to it... it does not affect <BR>them. ANY ONE
PILOT in Sportsman (or whatever other class is affected) <BR>contesting
the change without it having been advertised as a rule <BR>modification in
advance should prevent the change.<BR><BR>Yes, the takeoff and landing
scoring is something that I think has affected <BR>my outcome at
contests. I flew a plane that had a large problem with stall
<BR>turns... with a 6 being a good result for that maneuver. Full
opposed <BR>aileron wasn't enough to prevent the plane from rolling when
rudder was <BR>applied. But I figured my quality of takeoff and
landing would more than <BR>make up for the poor stall turns, so I showed
up for the contests. And <BR>every contest I showed up at... they on
the spot said "Sportsman gets 0 or <BR>10 takeoff and landing" When
all the marginal takeoffs of the other pilots <BR>in my class got 10's
(Many deserved 5's... or 2's... and I was consistantly <BR>getting
complimented on the smoothness of my takeoffs and landings.) it took
<BR>away the ability for me to make up for my known problem with the stall
turn.<BR><BR>Next contest I go to... if they decide to change the rules on
the spot... I <BR>want my entry fee back. (applies to some other events I
have been to <BR>also...)<BR>If they advertise in advance that the scoring
won't be by rulebook... I <BR>won't show up.<BR><BR>I kept quiet about it
(except discussing it with a couple of local flyers) <BR>when it
occured. Too many much more accompished pilots were in favor of the
<BR>change. IT HAD NO EFFECT ON THEM! They shouldn't have been
part of the <BR>discussion at all.<BR><BR>You want to change a rule that
affects only one class at the pilots' meeting <BR>before the first
flight... ANY ONE PILOT in that class opposing the change <BR>prevents
it. And pilots in other classes have no vote.<BR><BR>If the wind is
too much for the pilot to think he wants to risk getting a <BR>bad score
on takeoff and landing... maybe its too much wind for that pilot <BR>to
bother making a takeoff. All of the other pilots in the class will
be <BR>dealing with the same wind. It has just as much chance of
preventing them <BR>from getting a 10.<BR><BR>Any contest that decides to
give Sportsman 0 or 10 for takeoff or landing <BR>should list it as
non-rulebook in advance. If you are going to do the <BR>2-passes
through the sequence without the full stop landing and another
<BR>takeoff... you need to advertise that too.<BR><BR>I oppose the flying
of 2 "flights" of Sportsman with one takeoff and one <BR>landing...
The takeoff and landing are scored maneuvers, suppposed to be <BR>able to
get a score other than 0 or 10, therefore cutting half of the
<BR>opportunities to do well or poorly on them is changing the scoring vs
the <BR>rulebook. (see above... I moved this paragraph due to
changes in the below <BR>from the original version)<BR><BR>Also... the
Sportsman sequence is relatively short for a reason. This is an
<BR>introductory class. The contestants are not used to competing...
not used <BR>to getting judged. They need the ability to do one
competition round... go <BR>back and talk with others about what they did
right, what they did wrong and <BR>how to improve. They also need a
bit of timne to RELAX between the scored <BR>flights.<BR><BR>Considering
how nervous some people are in thier early competition rounds... <BR>its a
wonder to me that a first time Sportsman level competitor ends up with
<BR>thier airplane in the air by the end of a second sequence within one
flight.<BR><BR>The first contest someone flys in, they typically fly too
close in, and <BR>because of this ALL maneuvers are extremely
rushed. By the end of the <BR>flight some contestants are so
frazzled that they have severe problems doing <BR>the double-immelman AT
ALL. Then you want them to immedately turn around <BR>and run the
sequence again? Why not just tell them to land at the judges
<BR>feet so the judges can stomp on the model?<BR><BR>Thats not a formula
to promote more participation... its a formula to scare <BR>off
beginners. If the pilot is ready to run the sequence twice in a row
FOR <BR>THE JUDGES.. they are probably ready to start working on
Inermediate.<BR><BR>Most people I have seen move up from Sportsman, its
been due to seeking the <BR>higher challenge of Intermediate... not due to
getting the points forcing <BR>the move up. "Sandbagging" Sportsman
is rare.<BR><BR>Also... it is justifiable for someone competing at
Sportsman to set up thier <BR>plane for one round flight durration.
If they average 4 minutes to do a <BR>round... and put in a tank which
gives 6 minute fuel supply, then the <BR>2-rounds in one flight is a
guaranteed dead-stick before completion of the <BR>second round. Do
you force Master's level pilots to carry enough fuel for 2 <BR>passes
through the sequence? Would they tollerate that?<BR><BR>Forcing a
competitor to carry the DEAD WEIGHT of the fuel for a second round
<BR>through the first round is inappropriate. At Sportsman level...
the type <BR>models which are competitive include models which would have
severe CG <BR>change with the fuel depletion...<BR><BR>If you think a
Sportsman competitor needs to be able to run 2 times through <BR>the
sequence nonstop, you probably also think everyone needs to buy a $3000
<BR>plane, capable of flying the Masters sequence, in order to try out
<BR>Sportsman. Its totaly unnecessary, inappropriate and shuts out
beginners.<BR><BR>FHH <BR></DIV>
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