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<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#000000>This wasn't this year... I
didn't go to a contest this year partly because of the bad feeling left over
from the previous rules deviations... which were made at the pilots meeting
propr to the first flight... and I would have been the sole
opposition.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=verne@twmi.rr.com href="mailto:verne@twmi.rr.com">Verne Koester</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, October 02, 2006 4:53
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] If you
don't score by the rules....don't advertise a rulebook event</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=3>Fred,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=3>They WERE scoring by the rules at the contests
you attended this year. Under the current rules, takeoffs and landings are
scored EITHER 0 or 10 for all classes. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=3></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=3>Effective January 1, </FONT><FONT
color=#000000 size=3>2007, Takeoffs and landings will be FROM 0 to 10 in half
point increments for all AMA classes. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=3></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=3>You're right, deviations from the rule book
are supposed to be advertised in advance of the contest date.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=3></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=3>Verne Koester</FONT></DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=fhhuber@clearwire.com href="mailto:fhhuber@clearwire.com">Fred
Huber</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, October 02, 2006 12:45
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [NSRCA-discussion] If you
don't score by the rules.... don't advertise a rulebook event</DIV>
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<DIV>This has been annoying me for a long time....<BR><BR>At Sportsman level
the K=1 takeoff and landing scores can significantly <BR>affect the contest
results.<BR><BR>The all too common practice of changing the rules at the
last minute, to <BR>give Sportsman 0 or 10 on take-off and landing, is
inappropriate. <BR>(Inappropriate to chane the scoring system for any
maneuver at ANY level!) <BR>Of course all the higher level pilots will agree
to it... it does not affect <BR>them. ANY ONE PILOT in Sportsman (or
whatever other class is affected) <BR>contesting the change without it
having been advertised as a rule <BR>modification in advance should prevent
the change.<BR><BR>Yes, the takeoff and landing scoring is something that I
think has affected <BR>my outcome at contests. I flew a plane that had
a large problem with stall <BR>turns... with a 6 being a good result for
that maneuver. Full opposed <BR>aileron wasn't enough to prevent the
plane from rolling when rudder was <BR>applied. But I figured my
quality of takeoff and landing would more than <BR>make up for the poor
stall turns, so I showed up for the contests. And <BR>every contest I
showed up at... they on the spot said "Sportsman gets 0 or <BR>10 takeoff
and landing" When all the marginal takeoffs of the other pilots <BR>in
my class got 10's (Many deserved 5's... or 2's... and I was
consistantly <BR>getting complimented on the smoothness of my takeoffs and
landings.) it took <BR>away the ability for me to make up for my known
problem with the stall turn.<BR><BR>Next contest I go to... if they decide
to change the rules on the spot... I <BR>want my entry fee back. (applies to
some other events I have been to <BR>also...)<BR>If they advertise in
advance that the scoring won't be by rulebook... I <BR>won't show
up.<BR><BR>I kept quiet about it (except discussing it with a couple of
local flyers) <BR>when it occured. Too many much more accompished
pilots were in favor of the <BR>change. IT HAD NO EFFECT ON
THEM! They shouldn't have been part of the <BR>discussion at
all.<BR><BR>You want to change a rule that affects only one class at the
pilots' meeting <BR>before the first flight... ANY ONE PILOT in that class
opposing the change <BR>prevents it. And pilots in other classes have
no vote.<BR><BR>If the wind is too much for the pilot to think he wants to
risk getting a <BR>bad score on takeoff and landing... maybe its too much
wind for that pilot <BR>to bother making a takeoff. All of the other
pilots in the class will be <BR>dealing with the same wind. It has
just as much chance of preventing them <BR>from getting a 10.<BR><BR>Any
contest that decides to give Sportsman 0 or 10 for takeoff or landing
<BR>should list it as non-rulebook in advance. If you are going to do
the <BR>2-passes through the sequence without the full stop landing and
another <BR>takeoff... you need to advertise that too.<BR><BR>I oppose the
flying of 2 "flights" of Sportsman with one takeoff and one
<BR>landing... The takeoff and landing are scored maneuvers, suppposed
to be <BR>able to get a score other than 0 or 10, therefore cutting half of
the <BR>opportunities to do well or poorly on them is changing the scoring
vs the <BR>rulebook. (see above... I moved this paragraph due to
changes in the below <BR>from the original version)<BR><BR>Also... the
Sportsman sequence is relatively short for a reason. This is an
<BR>introductory class. The contestants are not used to competing...
not used <BR>to getting judged. They need the ability to do one
competition round... go <BR>back and talk with others about what they did
right, what they did wrong and <BR>how to improve. They also need a
bit of timne to RELAX between the scored <BR>flights.<BR><BR>Considering how
nervous some people are in thier early competition rounds... <BR>its a
wonder to me that a first time Sportsman level competitor ends up with
<BR>thier airplane in the air by the end of a second sequence within one
flight.<BR><BR>The first contest someone flys in, they typically fly too
close in, and <BR>because of this ALL maneuvers are extremely rushed.
By the end of the <BR>flight some contestants are so frazzled that they have
severe problems doing <BR>the double-immelman AT ALL. Then you want
them to immedately turn around <BR>and run the sequence again? Why not
just tell them to land at the judges <BR>feet so the judges can stomp on the
model?<BR><BR>Thats not a formula to promote more participation... its
a formula to scare <BR>off beginners. If the pilot is ready to run the
sequence twice in a row FOR <BR>THE JUDGES.. they are probably ready to
start working on Inermediate.<BR><BR>Most people I have seen move up from
Sportsman, its been due to seeking the <BR>higher challenge of
Intermediate... not due to getting the points forcing <BR>the move up.
"Sandbagging" Sportsman is rare.<BR><BR>Also... it is justifiable for
someone competing at Sportsman to set up thier <BR>plane for one round
flight durration. If they average 4 minutes to do a <BR>round... and
put in a tank which gives 6 minute fuel supply, then the <BR>2-rounds in one
flight is a guaranteed dead-stick before completion of the <BR>second
round. Do you force Master's level pilots to carry enough fuel for 2
<BR>passes through the sequence? Would they tollerate
that?<BR><BR>Forcing a competitor to carry the DEAD WEIGHT of the fuel for a
second round <BR>through the first round is inappropriate. At
Sportsman level... the type <BR>models which are competitive include models
which would have severe CG <BR>change with the fuel depletion...<BR><BR>If
you think a Sportsman competitor needs to be able to run 2 times through
<BR>the sequence nonstop, you probably also think everyone needs to buy a
$3000 <BR>plane, capable of flying the Masters sequence, in order to try out
<BR>Sportsman. Its totaly unnecessary, inappropriate and shuts out
beginners.<BR><BR>FHH <BR></DIV>
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