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<DIV><FONT color=#000000>Fred.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000> You as a competitor do have RIGHTS.
Unfortunately it isn't well known. AMA rules require CD's to file paperwork to
obtain and AMA sanction if it is going to be an official AMA event. Pattern
events are. I am not an advocate of knee jerk PROTESTS which I have
seen over the years, but you also have the right to file a formal protest if an
event is not following the rules. This is why some CD's must give advance notice
in the AMA contest Ad that is in the magazine so those that are planning to
attend can contact the CD or their representative to be informed what the
modification is going to be if it isn't specifically spelled out. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000>
Del
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nsrca - 473</FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=fhhuber@clearwire.net href="mailto:fhhuber@clearwire.net">Fred
Huber</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, October 02, 2006 8:19
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] If you
don't score by the rules....don'tadvertise a rulebook event</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#000000>This wasn't this year... I
didn't go to a contest this year partly because of the bad feeling left over
from the previous rules deviations... which were made at the pilots meeting
propr to the first flight... and I would have been the sole
opposition.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=verne@twmi.rr.com href="mailto:verne@twmi.rr.com">Verne Koester</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, October 02, 2006 4:53
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] If you
don't score by the rules....don't advertise a rulebook event</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=3>Fred,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=3>They WERE scoring by the rules at the
contests you attended this year. Under the current rules, takeoffs and
landings are scored EITHER 0 or 10 for all classes. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=3></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=3>Effective January 1, </FONT><FONT
color=#000000 size=3>2007, Takeoffs and landings will be FROM 0 to 10 in
half point increments for all AMA classes. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=3></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=3>You're right, deviations from the rule book
are supposed to be advertised in advance of the contest date.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=3></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=3>Verne Koester</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=fhhuber@clearwire.com href="mailto:fhhuber@clearwire.com">Fred
Huber</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, October 02, 2006 12:45
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [NSRCA-discussion] If you
don't score by the rules.... don't advertise a rulebook event</DIV>
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<DIV>This has been annoying me for a long time....<BR><BR>At Sportsman
level the K=1 takeoff and landing scores can significantly <BR>affect the
contest results.<BR><BR>The all too common practice of changing the rules
at the last minute, to <BR>give Sportsman 0 or 10 on take-off and
landing, is inappropriate. <BR>(Inappropriate to chane the scoring
system for any maneuver at ANY level!) <BR>Of course all the higher level
pilots will agree to it... it does not affect <BR>them. ANY ONE
PILOT in Sportsman (or whatever other class is affected) <BR>contesting
the change without it having been advertised as a rule <BR>modification in
advance should prevent the change.<BR><BR>Yes, the takeoff and landing
scoring is something that I think has affected <BR>my outcome at
contests. I flew a plane that had a large problem with stall
<BR>turns... with a 6 being a good result for that maneuver. Full
opposed <BR>aileron wasn't enough to prevent the plane from rolling when
rudder was <BR>applied. But I figured my quality of takeoff and
landing would more than <BR>make up for the poor stall turns, so I showed
up for the contests. And <BR>every contest I showed up at... they on
the spot said "Sportsman gets 0 or <BR>10 takeoff and landing" When
all the marginal takeoffs of the other pilots <BR>in my class got 10's
(Many deserved 5's... or 2's... and I was consistantly <BR>getting
complimented on the smoothness of my takeoffs and landings.) it took
<BR>away the ability for me to make up for my known problem with the stall
turn.<BR><BR>Next contest I go to... if they decide to change the rules on
the spot... I <BR>want my entry fee back. (applies to some other events I
have been to <BR>also...)<BR>If they advertise in advance that the scoring
won't be by rulebook... I <BR>won't show up.<BR><BR>I kept quiet about it
(except discussing it with a couple of local flyers) <BR>when it
occured. Too many much more accompished pilots were in favor of the
<BR>change. IT HAD NO EFFECT ON THEM! They shouldn't have been
part of the <BR>discussion at all.<BR><BR>You want to change a rule that
affects only one class at the pilots' meeting <BR>before the first
flight... ANY ONE PILOT in that class opposing the change <BR>prevents
it. And pilots in other classes have no vote.<BR><BR>If the wind is
too much for the pilot to think he wants to risk getting a <BR>bad score
on takeoff and landing... maybe its too much wind for that pilot <BR>to
bother making a takeoff. All of the other pilots in the class will
be <BR>dealing with the same wind. It has just as much chance of
preventing them <BR>from getting a 10.<BR><BR>Any contest that decides to
give Sportsman 0 or 10 for takeoff or landing <BR>should list it as
non-rulebook in advance. If you are going to do the <BR>2-passes
through the sequence without the full stop landing and another
<BR>takeoff... you need to advertise that too.<BR><BR>I oppose the flying
of 2 "flights" of Sportsman with one takeoff and one <BR>landing...
The takeoff and landing are scored maneuvers, suppposed to be <BR>able to
get a score other than 0 or 10, therefore cutting half of the
<BR>opportunities to do well or poorly on them is changing the scoring vs
the <BR>rulebook. (see above... I moved this paragraph due to
changes in the below <BR>from the original version)<BR><BR>Also... the
Sportsman sequence is relatively short for a reason. This is an
<BR>introductory class. The contestants are not used to competing...
not used <BR>to getting judged. They need the ability to do one
competition round... go <BR>back and talk with others about what they did
right, what they did wrong and <BR>how to improve. They also need a
bit of timne to RELAX between the scored <BR>flights.<BR><BR>Considering
how nervous some people are in thier early competition rounds... <BR>its a
wonder to me that a first time Sportsman level competitor ends up with
<BR>thier airplane in the air by the end of a second sequence within one
flight.<BR><BR>The first contest someone flys in, they typically fly too
close in, and <BR>because of this ALL maneuvers are extremely
rushed. By the end of the <BR>flight some contestants are so
frazzled that they have severe problems doing <BR>the double-immelman AT
ALL. Then you want them to immedately turn around <BR>and run the
sequence again? Why not just tell them to land at the judges
<BR>feet so the judges can stomp on the model?<BR><BR>Thats not a formula
to promote more participation... its a formula to scare <BR>off
beginners. If the pilot is ready to run the sequence twice in a row
FOR <BR>THE JUDGES.. they are probably ready to start working on
Inermediate.<BR><BR>Most people I have seen move up from Sportsman, its
been due to seeking the <BR>higher challenge of Intermediate... not due to
getting the points forcing <BR>the move up. "Sandbagging" Sportsman
is rare.<BR><BR>Also... it is justifiable for someone competing at
Sportsman to set up thier <BR>plane for one round flight durration.
If they average 4 minutes to do a <BR>round... and put in a tank which
gives 6 minute fuel supply, then the <BR>2-rounds in one flight is a
guaranteed dead-stick before completion of the <BR>second round. Do
you force Master's level pilots to carry enough fuel for 2 <BR>passes
through the sequence? Would they tollerate that?<BR><BR>Forcing a
competitor to carry the DEAD WEIGHT of the fuel for a second round
<BR>through the first round is inappropriate. At Sportsman level...
the type <BR>models which are competitive include models which would have
severe CG <BR>change with the fuel depletion...<BR><BR>If you think a
Sportsman competitor needs to be able to run 2 times through <BR>the
sequence nonstop, you probably also think everyone needs to buy a $3000
<BR>plane, capable of flying the Masters sequence, in order to try out
<BR>Sportsman. Its totaly unnecessary, inappropriate and shuts out
beginners.<BR><BR>FHH <BR></DIV>
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