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<DIV>We've never encountered that problem... most planes I've ever been
around carry enough fuel to fly two Sportsman sequences. I know we've had
a few flame outs, but that's part of flying competition.... I would
think that if it flamed out in the first flight of the double sequence, we would
allow them to move to the bottom of the list and let them fly the second
flight.... I'm gonna have to think about this, just in case it ever
happens... I agree that it wouldn't be fair to the individual to have to
fly two sequences if their plane didn't carry enough fuel to do it. We
would more than likely let them move down the list a ways and fly the
second flight. We normally don't have that many Sportsman pilots at
a contest.. I don't see where it's a big problem to accommodate their
needs. After all, the idea is to get more people into pattern!
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<DIV>Rex Lesher</DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>From:</B> <A title=mailto:twtaylor@ftc-i.net
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=421363519-02102006>If they have a flame
out due to low fuel on the second sequence do you allow them to land and
refuel and fly again?</SPAN></DIV><BR>
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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B><A
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October 02, 2006 3:31 PM<BR><B>To:</B> <A
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<DIV>Then I am flying Sportsman at Creswell next year!!!! </DIV>
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<DIV>Don Atwood</DIV>
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<DIV>In a message dated 10/2/2006 11:07:54 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
trexlesh@msn.com writes:</DIV>
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<DIV>Everyone is correct about not trying it for intermediate... It
would take too long. The whole idea behind it is to get more flying
time for Sportsman pilots. When I started flying pattern, I passed on
flying Sportsman and started in Intermediate, simply because I wasn't about
to drive 350-500 miles to fly for 20 minutes.... Also, it's good
exposure for the Sportsman pilot to get as much flying time as possible in
front of judges... They get a lot of feedback and support from the
judges and fellow flyers that they may well not get at there home
field...</DIV>
<DIV>You learn more flying in a contest than you ever do just practicing
without observers. So far, it's worked very well here in D8. We
normally only get 3 rounds per day any how.... To tell you the
truth, I don't believe we've had any issue on 2 day vs 1 day contests.
We always run a 2 day contest and the Sportsman get 12 rounds of
flying... They like it! </DIV>
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<DIV>Rex Lesher</DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>From:</B> <A
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L Terrenoire</A> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, October 02, 2006 2:16
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<DIV><BR></DIV>Lance: It IS workable, we have been doing it for the better
part of 20<BR>years. Not for ALL classes, just Sportsman.<BR>We make sure
this class gets 4 rounds each day, weather permitting, of<BR>course. We
announce a winner Saturday night at the dinner, and present<BR>the award.
In 2005, for our 50th, we even gave away a gold watch to each<BR>day's
winners. In this case, we stipulated that the same person could not<BR>win
both days. The guy who won Saturday opted not to fly Sunday, but
was<BR>there anyway.<BR><BR>You seem to missing the point that we are
trying to encourage<BR>participation in the lower class, classes. We are
doing this by trying to<BR>address the problem of committment for the
newcomer. It does work, and is<BR>workable, if the CD looks at "how can we
make it work" and NOT at "how is<BR>this a problem".<BR><BR>Terry
T.<BR><BR>On Sun, 1 Oct 2006 21:24:59 -0500 "Lance Van Nostrand"<BR><<A
title=mailto:patterndude@comcast.net
href="mailto:patterndude@comcast.net">patterndude@comcast.net</A>>
writes:<BR>> As I read with interest this thread I don't see how 2 one
day <BR>> contests is <BR>> workable. sunday flying is not long
enough to have the same number <BR>> of <BR>> sportsman/intermediate
rounds and the obvious issue is that its <BR>> highly <BR>> likely
that people staying for two days are more likely to win on <BR>> both
days. <BR>> Maybe a modification is just to announce a "day 1 placing"
and let <BR>> the <BR>> contest continue. Anyone only able to
stay for one day would win <BR>> the day 1 <BR>> award and feel
their accomplishment for the time they were able to <BR>> compete.
<BR>> At the end of day 1, everyone has had the same number of rounds
and <BR>> <BR>> opportunity to be winners. The continuing
dynamics can shake things <BR>> up in <BR>> day 2, but at the end of
day 1, the winners can be announced. Award <BR>> <BR>>
something simple, like a certificate or some diet coke and mentos at
<BR>> the end <BR>> of day 1 flying. People with time
constraints are not limited to <BR>> sportsman, <BR>> and this could
be done at all classes.<BR>> <BR>> --lance<BR>> <BR>> -----
Original Message ----- <BR>> From: "Kelly Regan" <<A
title=mailto:kelly.regan2@verizon.net
href="mailto:kelly.regan2@verizon.net">kelly.regan2@verizon.net</A>><BR>>
To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <<A
title=mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>><BR>>
Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2006 7:46 PM<BR>> Subject: Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] One day contests<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> > It was
nice to read all the opinions about the one day contest and <BR>>
I<BR>> > have to say that 2 one day contests for the lower classes
seems<BR>> > like a win win situation.<BR>> ><BR>> >
Speaking for myself I would not need or expect an award for a one <BR>>
day<BR>> > contest. Maybe you could save the award for the
guys that stayed <BR>> both<BR>> > days and do a combined 2 day
total. Or just print out paper <BR>> awards for<BR>> > the
one day participants and mail them later?<BR>> ><BR>> > Day
one:<BR>> > 1st<BR>> > 2nd<BR>> > 3rd<BR>>
><BR>> > Day 2:<BR>> > 1st<BR>> > 2nd<BR>> >
3rd<BR>> ><BR>> > Combined total:<BR>> > 1st<BR>>
> 2nd<BR>> > 3rd<BR>> ><BR>> > Again this is just an
idea from a new guy.<BR>> ><BR>> > Adrien L Terrenoire
wrote:<BR>> >> In an earlier thread, I resopnded to a comment
about our club <BR>> making<BR>> >> the Sportsman class two
one day contest for as long as I can <BR>> remember,<BR>> >>
and for the same length of time, I can't remember anyone flying <BR>>
just<BR>> >> one of the days. I am sure it has happened, but the
instances <BR>> have<BR>> >> been rare. On our end, it means
that we have to buy, or make up <BR>> and<BR>> >> extra set of
awards.<BR>> >><BR>> >> Terry T.<BR>>
>><BR>> >> On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 08:45:31 -0400 Mike
Wizynajtys<BR>> >> <<A title=mailto:mikewiz@tcwireless.us
href="mailto:mikewiz@tcwireless.us">mikewiz@tcwireless.us</A> <<A
title=mailto:mikewiz@tcwireless.us
href="mailto:mikewiz@tcwireless.us">mailto:mikewiz@tcwireless.us</A>>>
writes:<BR>> >><BR>> >> That
seems reasonable. What if the only day you can attend is <BR>>
the<BR>> >> second day? Do contests allow
that? I could have done that <BR>> once<BR>>
>> this past summer, when a tight work
deadline messed up my <BR>> plans.<BR>> >><BR>>
>> Wiz<BR>> >><BR>>
>> At 08:03 AM 9/29/2006, you wrote:<BR>>
>>> The obvious answer is to only attend
one day of a two day <BR>> event.<BR>>
>>> At the end of the first day, you
pretty much know how your <BR>> going<BR>>
>>> to stack up against the competition.
Which is the main <BR>> reason I<BR>>
>>> fly. For family reasons, I only
attend on saturday.<BR>> >>><BR>> >>><BR>>
>>>
-------------- Original message --------------<BR>>
>>> From: Chris
Moon <<A title=mailto:cjm767driver@hotmail.com
href="mailto:cjm767driver@hotmail.com">cjm767driver@hotmail.com</A>><BR>>
>>> One day
contests really require a large number of <BR>> potential<BR>>
>>> flyers within
a reasonably short driving distance. I <BR>> think<BR>>
>>> that they
were more popular years ago when there were <BR>> more<BR>>
>>> people in
pattern. In the 80's on the East coast there <BR>> were<BR>>
>>> lots of
flyers and several one day contests. Today, we <BR>> have<BR>>
>>> people
driving 400 -500 miles to a 2 day contest and <BR>> that<BR>>
>>> would not be
good for a one day event. However if you <BR>> had<BR>>
>>> enough local
people to make up for the loss of the long<BR>>
>>> distance
drivers maybe it would work. I just don't know <BR>> of<BR>>
>>> too many
areas that have enough people local to make up <BR>> an<BR>>
>>> event and not
have to rely on long distance drivers to<BR>>
>>> guarantee a
good contest with lots of competition.<BR>>
>>> I would like
some one day contests too, but not if I am <BR>> only<BR>>
>>> flying a!
gainst 1 or 2 other guys.<BR>> >>>>><BR>>
>>>>>
Chris<BR>> >>><BR>> >><BR>> >><BR>>
>>
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