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<DIV>I don't know, I have never seen it happen.</DIV>
<DIV>Think about it. Most planes are set up with tanks big enouge for 15 to 20
minutes of flight.</DIV>
<DIV>The sportsman patern is flown in 4 to 5 min. Flying the 2nd round
eliminates the TO and LDG</DIV>
<DIV>so that sequence will be done in another 3 to 4 min. Total time 7 to 9
min!! Well within the capabilities of nearly any sport plane!</DIV>
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<DIV>Terry T.</DIV>
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<DIV>On Mon, 2 Oct 2006 15:38:02 -0400 "twtaylor" <<A
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=421363519-02102006>If they have a flame
out due to low fuel on the second sequence do you allow them to land and
refuel and fly again?</SPAN></DIV><BR>
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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B>On Behalf Of
</B>AtwoodDon@aol.com<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, October 02, 2006 3:31
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<DIV>Then I am flying Sportsman at Creswell next year!!!! </DIV>
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<DIV>Don Atwood</DIV>
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<DIV>In a message dated 10/2/2006 11:07:54 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
trexlesh@msn.com writes:</DIV>
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<DIV>Everyone is correct about not trying it for intermediate... It
would take too long. The whole idea behind it is to get more flying
time for Sportsman pilots. When I started flying pattern, I passed on
flying Sportsman and started in Intermediate, simply because I wasn't about
to drive 350-500 miles to fly for 20 minutes.... Also, it's good
exposure for the Sportsman pilot to get as much flying time as possible in
front of judges... They get a lot of feedback and support from the
judges and fellow flyers that they may well not get at there home
field...</DIV>
<DIV>You learn more flying in a contest than you ever do just practicing
without observers. So far, it's worked very well here in D8. We
normally only get 3 rounds per day any how.... To tell you the
truth, I don't believe we've had any issue on 2 day vs 1 day contests.
We always run a 2 day contest and the Sportsman get 12 rounds of
flying... They like it! </DIV>
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<DIV>Rex Lesher</DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>From:</B> <A
title=mailto:amad2terry@juno.com href="mailto:amad2terry@juno.com">Adrien
L Terrenoire</A> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, October 02, 2006 2:16
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<DIV><BR></DIV>Lance: It IS workable, we have been doing it for the better
part of 20<BR>years. Not for ALL classes, just Sportsman.<BR>We make sure
this class gets 4 rounds each day, weather permitting, of<BR>course. We
announce a winner Saturday night at the dinner, and present<BR>the award.
In 2005, for our 50th, we even gave away a gold watch to each<BR>day's
winners. In this case, we stipulated that the same person could not<BR>win
both days. The guy who won Saturday opted not to fly Sunday, but
was<BR>there anyway.<BR><BR>You seem to missing the point that we are
trying to encourage<BR>participation in the lower class, classes. We are
doing this by trying to<BR>address the problem of committment for the
newcomer. It does work, and is<BR>workable, if the CD looks at "how can we
make it work" and NOT at "how is<BR>this a problem".<BR><BR>Terry
T.<BR><BR>On Sun, 1 Oct 2006 21:24:59 -0500 "Lance Van Nostrand"<BR><<A
title=mailto:patterndude@comcast.net
href="mailto:patterndude@comcast.net">patterndude@comcast.net</A>>
writes:<BR>> As I read with interest this thread I don't see how 2 one
day <BR>> contests is <BR>> workable. sunday flying is not long
enough to have the same number <BR>> of <BR>> sportsman/intermediate
rounds and the obvious issue is that its <BR>> highly <BR>> likely
that people staying for two days are more likely to win on <BR>> both
days. <BR>> Maybe a modification is just to announce a "day 1 placing"
and let <BR>> the <BR>> contest continue. Anyone only able to
stay for one day would win <BR>> the day 1 <BR>> award and feel
their accomplishment for the time they were able to <BR>> compete.
<BR>> At the end of day 1, everyone has had the same number of rounds
and <BR>> <BR>> opportunity to be winners. The continuing
dynamics can shake things <BR>> up in <BR>> day 2, but at the end of
day 1, the winners can be announced. Award <BR>> <BR>>
something simple, like a certificate or some diet coke and mentos at
<BR>> the end <BR>> of day 1 flying. People with time
constraints are not limited to <BR>> sportsman, <BR>> and this could
be done at all classes.<BR>> <BR>> --lance<BR>> <BR>> -----
Original Message ----- <BR>> From: "Kelly Regan" <<A
title=mailto:kelly.regan2@verizon.net
href="mailto:kelly.regan2@verizon.net">kelly.regan2@verizon.net</A>><BR>>
To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <<A
title=mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>><BR>>
Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2006 7:46 PM<BR>> Subject: Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] One day contests<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> > It was
nice to read all the opinions about the one day contest and <BR>>
I<BR>> > have to say that 2 one day contests for the lower classes
seems<BR>> > like a win win situation.<BR>> ><BR>> >
Speaking for myself I would not need or expect an award for a one <BR>>
day<BR>> > contest. Maybe you could save the award for the
guys that stayed <BR>> both<BR>> > days and do a combined 2 day
total. Or just print out paper <BR>> awards for<BR>> > the
one day participants and mail them later?<BR>> ><BR>> > Day
one:<BR>> > 1st<BR>> > 2nd<BR>> > 3rd<BR>>
><BR>> > Day 2:<BR>> > 1st<BR>> > 2nd<BR>> >
3rd<BR>> ><BR>> > Combined total:<BR>> > 1st<BR>>
> 2nd<BR>> > 3rd<BR>> ><BR>> > Again this is just an
idea from a new guy.<BR>> ><BR>> > Adrien L Terrenoire
wrote:<BR>> >> In an earlier thread, I resopnded to a comment
about our club <BR>> making<BR>> >> the Sportsman class two
one day contest for as long as I can <BR>> remember,<BR>> >>
and for the same length of time, I can't remember anyone flying <BR>>
just<BR>> >> one of the days. I am sure it has happened, but the
instances <BR>> have<BR>> >> been rare. On our end, it means
that we have to buy, or make up <BR>> and<BR>> >> extra set of
awards.<BR>> >><BR>> >> Terry T.<BR>>
>><BR>> >> On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 08:45:31 -0400 Mike
Wizynajtys<BR>> >> <<A title=mailto:mikewiz@tcwireless.us
href="mailto:mikewiz@tcwireless.us">mikewiz@tcwireless.us</A> <<A
title=mailto:mikewiz@tcwireless.us
href="mailto:mikewiz@tcwireless.us">mailto:mikewiz@tcwireless.us</A>>>
writes:<BR>> >><BR>> >> That
seems reasonable. What if the only day you can attend is <BR>>
the<BR>> >> second day? Do contests allow
that? I could have done that <BR>> once<BR>>
>> this past summer, when a tight work
deadline messed up my <BR>> plans.<BR>> >><BR>>
>> Wiz<BR>> >><BR>>
>> At 08:03 AM 9/29/2006, you wrote:<BR>>
>>> The obvious answer is to only attend
one day of a two day <BR>> event.<BR>>
>>> At the end of the first day, you
pretty much know how your <BR>> going<BR>>
>>> to stack up against the competition.
Which is the main <BR>> reason I<BR>>
>>> fly. For family reasons, I only
attend on saturday.<BR>> >>><BR>> >>><BR>>
>>>
-------------- Original message --------------<BR>>
>>> From: Chris
Moon <<A title=mailto:cjm767driver@hotmail.com
href="mailto:cjm767driver@hotmail.com">cjm767driver@hotmail.com</A>><BR>>
>>> One day
contests really require a large number of <BR>> potential<BR>>
>>> flyers within
a reasonably short driving distance. I <BR>> think<BR>>
>>> that they
were more popular years ago when there were <BR>> more<BR>>
>>> people in
pattern. In the 80's on the East coast there <BR>> were<BR>>
>>> lots of
flyers and several one day contests. Today, we <BR>> have<BR>>
>>> people
driving 400 -500 miles to a 2 day contest and <BR>> that<BR>>
>>> would not be
good for a one day event. However if you <BR>> had<BR>>
>>> enough local
people to make up for the loss of the long<BR>>
>>> distance
drivers maybe it would work. I just don't know <BR>> of<BR>>
>>> too many
areas that have enough people local to make up <BR>> an<BR>>
>>> event and not
have to rely on long distance drivers to<BR>>
>>> guarantee a
good contest with lots of competition.<BR>>
>>> I would like
some one day contests too, but not if I am <BR>> only<BR>>
>>> flying a!
gainst 1 or 2 other guys.<BR>> >>>>><BR>>
>>>>>
Chris<BR>> >>><BR>> >><BR>> >><BR>>
>>
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